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From: Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy <vsementsov@virtuozzo.com>
To: Hanna Reitz <hreitz@redhat.com>, qemu-block@nongnu.org
Cc: qemu-devel@nongnu.org, armbru@redhat.com,
	xiechanglong.d@gmail.com, wencongyang2@huawei.com,
	fam@euphon.net, stefanha@redhat.com, eblake@redhat.com,
	kwolf@redhat.com, jsnow@redhat.com, nikita.lapshin@virtuozzo.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 17/18] qapi: backup: add immutable-source parameter
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2022 17:14:39 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5e1fe53d-3f96-fbc9-c333-06a12cec4938@virtuozzo.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4170577f-bd93-49f3-0f80-7fa41a6cfabc@redhat.com>

24.02.2022 16:05, Hanna Reitz wrote:
> On 16.02.22 20:46, Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy wrote:
>> We are on the way to implement internal-backup with fleecing scheme,
>> which includes backup job copying from fleecing block driver node
>> (which is target of copy-before-write filter) to final target of
>> backup. This job doesn't need own filter, as fleecing block driver node
>> is a kind of snapshot, it's immutable from reader point of view.
>>
>> Let's add a parameter for backup to not insert filter but instead
>> unshare writes on source. This way backup job becomes a simple copying
>> process.
>>
>> Signed-off-by: Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy <vsementsov@virtuozzo.com>
>> ---
>>   qapi/block-core.json      | 11 ++++++-
>>   include/block/block_int.h |  1 +
>>   block/backup.c            | 61 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++----
>>   block/replication.c       |  2 +-
>>   blockdev.c                |  1 +
>>   5 files changed, 69 insertions(+), 7 deletions(-)
> 
> I’m not really technically opposed to this, but I wonder what the actual benefit of this is.  It sounds like the only benefit is that we don’t need a filter driver, but what’s the problem with such a filter driver?

Hmm. Yes, that's the only benefit: less extra components -> more stability.

But I doubt now does it really worth extra parameter.. More parameters that actually change nothing for the user -> less stability :)

Ok, I think I at least should postpone it for now, this series is too fat even without this patch.

The only possible problem - will permission conflict happen in the next test without this patch? But if it will, the solution should exist to solve it without user interaction. I'll check and try to avoid this new parameter.

> 
> (And if we just want to copy data off of a immutable node, I personally would go for the mirror job instead, but it isn’t like I could give good technical reasons for that personal bias.)
> 

I still hope that in far good future mirror will work through block/block-copy like backup, and there would be no difference what to use for immutable source copying.


Thanks a lot for reviewing!

-- 
Best regards,
Vladimir


  reply	other threads:[~2022-02-24 14:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-02-16 19:45 [PATCH v4 00/18] Make image fleecing more usable Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2022-02-16 19:46 ` [PATCH v4 01/18] block/block-copy: move copy_bitmap initialization to block_copy_state_new() Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2022-02-16 19:46 ` [PATCH v4 02/18] block/dirty-bitmap: bdrv_merge_dirty_bitmap(): add return value Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2022-02-16 19:46 ` [PATCH v4 03/18] block/block-copy: block_copy_state_new(): add bitmap parameter Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2022-02-24 12:01   ` Hanna Reitz
2022-02-16 19:46 ` [PATCH v4 04/18] block/copy-before-write: add bitmap open parameter Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2022-02-24 12:07   ` Hanna Reitz
2022-02-24 13:27     ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2022-02-16 19:46 ` [PATCH v4 05/18] block/block-copy: add block_copy_reset() Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2022-02-16 19:46 ` [PATCH v4 06/18] block: intoduce reqlist Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2022-02-24 12:08   ` Hanna Reitz
2022-02-16 19:46 ` [PATCH v4 07/18] block/reqlist: reqlist_find_conflict(): use ranges_overlap() Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2022-02-24 12:08   ` Hanna Reitz
2022-02-16 19:46 ` [PATCH v4 08/18] block/dirty-bitmap: introduce bdrv_dirty_bitmap_status() Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2022-02-24 12:20   ` Hanna Reitz
2022-02-16 19:46 ` [PATCH v4 09/18] block/reqlist: add reqlist_wait_all() Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2022-02-16 19:46 ` [PATCH v4 10/18] block/io: introduce block driver snapshot-access API Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2022-02-24 12:24   ` Hanna Reitz
2022-02-16 19:46 ` [PATCH v4 11/18] block: introduce snapshot-access filter Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2022-02-24 12:29   ` Hanna Reitz
2022-02-16 19:46 ` [PATCH v4 12/18] block: copy-before-write: realize snapshot-access API Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2022-02-24 12:46   ` Hanna Reitz
2022-02-24 13:42     ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2022-02-16 19:46 ` [PATCH v4 13/18] iotests/image-fleecing: add test-case for fleecing format node Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2022-02-24 12:48   ` Hanna Reitz
2022-02-16 19:46 ` [PATCH v4 14/18] iotests.py: add qemu_io_pipe_and_status() Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2022-02-24 12:52   ` Hanna Reitz
2022-02-24 13:42     ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2022-02-16 19:46 ` [PATCH v4 15/18] iotests/image-fleecing: add test case with bitmap Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2022-02-24 12:58   ` Hanna Reitz
2022-02-24 14:07     ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2022-02-16 19:46 ` [PATCH v4 16/18] block: blk_root(): return non-const pointer Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2022-02-16 19:46 ` [PATCH v4 17/18] qapi: backup: add immutable-source parameter Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2022-02-24 13:05   ` Hanna Reitz
2022-02-24 14:14     ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy [this message]
2022-02-16 19:46 ` [PATCH v4 18/18] iotests/image-fleecing: test push backup with fleecing Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy

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