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Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [PATCH 0/2] code of conduct fixes
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On 10/10/18 9:12 AM, Pavel Machek wrote:
> Hi!
> 
>>> Personally I'm not happy at all with how the new code of conduct was
>>> rushed in, least because I still don't understand why it happened,
>>> but also for all the other reasons we've discussed here in the past
>>> few weeks.
> 
> These are exactly my thoughts.

Exactly.  We have a process and the 4.19-rc4 CoC patch did not follow it.

>>> But I also understand that there's lots of people (me included) who
>>> don't want to ship a release with the code of conduct in it's current
>>> in-between state. I think adding a disclaimer at the top, along the
>>> lines of
>>>
>>> "Please note that this code of conduct and it's enforcement are still
>>> under discussion."
>>
>> I don't disagree with the position, but eliminating our old code of
>> conduct in favour of another we cast doubt on with this disclaimer
>> effectively leaves us with nothing at all, which seems to be a worse
>> situation.  In that case, I think reverting the CoC commit
>> (8a104f8b5867c682) and then restarting the replacement process is
>> better than adding a disclaimer to the new one.
> 
> Reverting it then having proper discussion sounds suitable to me.
> 
> (And it would be nice to have something on the mailing lists, too, as
> I probably won't make it to kernel summit this year.)

Ditto.

-- 
~Randy