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From: Bart Van Assche <bvanassche@acm.org>
To: Hannes Reinecke <hare@suse.de>, Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>
Cc: "Luis Chamberlain" <mcgrof@kernel.org>,
	"Keith Busch" <kbusch@kernel.org>,
	"Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>,
	"Pankaj Raghav" <p.raghav@samsung.com>,
	"Daniel Gomez" <da.gomez@samsung.com>,
	"Javier González" <javier.gonz@samsung.com>,
	lsf-pc@lists.linux-foundation.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-block@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [LSF/MM/BPF TOPIC] Cloud storage optimizations
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2023 11:55:34 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5f9aee65-c321-6638-bda7-4252889f5276@acm.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <0b70deae-9fc7-ca33-5737-85d7532b3d33@suse.de>

On 3/5/23 03:22, Hannes Reinecke wrote:
> My point being that zones are just there because the I/O stack can only 
> deal with sectors up to 4k. If the I/O stack would be capable of dealing
> with larger LBAs one could identify a zone with an LBA, and the entire 
> issue of append-only and sequential writes would be moot.
> Even the entire concept of zones becomes irrelevant as the OS would 
> trivially only write entire zones.

That's not correct. Even if the block layer core would support logical 
block sizes of 1 GiB or higher, a logical block size of 16 KiB will 
yield better performance than logical block size = zone size. The write 
amplification factor (WAF) would be huge for databases if the logical 
block size would be much larger than the typical amount of data written 
during a database update (16 KiB?).

Bart.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2023-03-08 19:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 67+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-03-01  3:52 [LSF/MM/BPF TOPIC] Cloud storage optimizations Theodore Ts'o
2023-03-01  4:18 ` Gao Xiang
2023-03-01  4:40   ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-03-01  4:59     ` Gao Xiang
2023-03-01  4:35 ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-03-01  4:49   ` Gao Xiang
2023-03-01  5:01     ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-03-01  5:09       ` Gao Xiang
2023-03-01  5:19         ` Gao Xiang
2023-03-01  5:42         ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-03-01  5:51           ` Gao Xiang
2023-03-01  6:00             ` Gao Xiang
2023-03-02  3:13 ` Chaitanya Kulkarni
2023-03-02  3:50 ` Darrick J. Wong
2023-03-03  3:03   ` Martin K. Petersen
2023-03-02 20:30 ` Bart Van Assche
2023-03-03  3:05   ` Martin K. Petersen
2023-03-03  1:58 ` Keith Busch
2023-03-03  3:49   ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-03-03 11:32     ` Hannes Reinecke
2023-03-03 13:11     ` James Bottomley
2023-03-04  7:34       ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-03-04 13:41         ` James Bottomley
2023-03-04 16:39           ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-03-05  4:15             ` Luis Chamberlain
2023-03-05  5:02               ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-03-08  6:11                 ` Luis Chamberlain
2023-03-08  7:59                   ` Dave Chinner
2023-03-06 12:04               ` Hannes Reinecke
2023-03-06  3:50             ` James Bottomley
2023-03-04 19:04         ` Luis Chamberlain
2023-03-03 21:45     ` Luis Chamberlain
2023-03-03 22:07       ` Keith Busch
2023-03-03 22:14         ` Luis Chamberlain
2023-03-03 22:32           ` Keith Busch
2023-03-03 23:09             ` Luis Chamberlain
2023-03-16 15:29             ` Pankaj Raghav
2023-03-16 15:41               ` Pankaj Raghav
2023-03-03 23:51       ` Bart Van Assche
2023-03-04 11:08       ` Hannes Reinecke
2023-03-04 13:24         ` Javier González
2023-03-04 16:47         ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-03-04 17:17           ` Hannes Reinecke
2023-03-04 17:54             ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-03-04 18:53               ` Luis Chamberlain
2023-03-05  3:06               ` Damien Le Moal
2023-03-05 11:22               ` Hannes Reinecke
2023-03-06  8:23                 ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-03-06 10:05                   ` Hannes Reinecke
2023-03-06 16:12                   ` Theodore Ts'o
2023-03-08 17:53                     ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-03-08 18:13                       ` James Bottomley
2023-03-09  8:04                         ` Javier González
2023-03-09 13:11                           ` James Bottomley
2023-03-09 14:05                             ` Keith Busch
2023-03-09 15:23                             ` Martin K. Petersen
2023-03-09 20:49                               ` James Bottomley
2023-03-09 21:13                                 ` Luis Chamberlain
2023-03-09 21:28                                   ` Martin K. Petersen
2023-03-10  1:16                                     ` Dan Helmick
2023-03-10  7:59                             ` Javier González
2023-03-08 19:35                 ` Luis Chamberlain
2023-03-08 19:55                 ` Bart Van Assche [this message]
2023-03-03  2:54 ` Martin K. Petersen
2023-03-03  3:29   ` Keith Busch
2023-03-03  4:20   ` Theodore Ts'o
2023-07-16  4:09 BELINDA Goodpaster kelly

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