From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 required=3.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1445C433ED for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2021 20:45:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [23.128.96.18]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C13456145A for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2021 20:45:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S235981AbhD3UqR (ORCPT ); Fri, 30 Apr 2021 16:46:17 -0400 Received: from lindbergh.monkeyblade.net ([23.128.96.19]:45912 "EHLO lindbergh.monkeyblade.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S231265AbhD3UqQ (ORCPT ); Fri, 30 Apr 2021 16:46:16 -0400 Received: from mail-oi1-x234.google.com (mail-oi1-x234.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::234]) by lindbergh.monkeyblade.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E814EC06174A for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2021 13:45:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-oi1-x234.google.com with SMTP id l17so39934962oil.11 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2021 13:45:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=date:from:to:cc:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject :mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=v7EU7lG2goXYaaE9nDJxtTJyINqGTzZWE8pxVQsyKNg=; b=E8JG29gmZMzATrnN7r1ZuDsKdQ3FiZA8oXVH3G2YSTeyJKS+47QvihXpcY+7s2MB/H XPH9kSe5EGeYS5flnxguWB+sANpS+jtJMW1mYMAYHIPU8p57hiUJ67WrJ/qD7aPlvgYj Z0XhdzVTBoeDQjovNirMFRQEMtCAvjSX3FXpsJ2u9ATiw+dcpwFSXmOPCm4Fm1RQ1s4z rtgBAfHN5uzFdTNKPzr6si9jRMPFHfwG1wpKBX4anJKhXjSF4OIzOJyXzGCQbyTm1mSi 9EGNs/PA2YHZXRaQDIV+oBnPQIBNHYK8/WVLj6kw+0LIWgg3Hct19pBYFrg244mO59/4 ZyKA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:cc:message-id:in-reply-to :references:subject:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=v7EU7lG2goXYaaE9nDJxtTJyINqGTzZWE8pxVQsyKNg=; b=qYc5o6W9cwuuSyWagmlkjIKLydch2EJbXJsOtgAhCd+IceHc5B0Q69VH5xdiSygiD+ 9Lz8SLfimbFeRLPEOT/f/0rZzOpk7JwHStR0elOcCAOgK1eThyCEXUgpli7cDY+zFX64 sbQcgXLAHTf6P+MPcclnWVMqinuu7LYg1uhY7a9wmN6fsCMb/8oU4uah1HA5awj/ROZ2 Epcgu3Y4g6AXiEOV1t2saFb8P+gyAjBoD7theTFXA3/H+a6oUGVQ+McdicclSmnqcGdZ tMj/PEWcdKO+AIF3iYuJeIXxNz6WzOwQfawIIY8JQ/Gsc+LtL3AKVx0fotqg1/VyOlqQ 378w== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530paQoHSMktLSCzj6g+x6hp17nBkxxkv33+XVnOgjLctanhwKmL S/ogWqCp3JfFhznBN7roozs1gLLVLXDHxQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwZHJy/PfBrxOhzbj1bdgmx/ABHRNnt0sg0bv72lFbw/p+toQ9RqqXVXl+ptf6BAjUjYTXhzw== X-Received: by 2002:a05:6808:103:: with SMTP id b3mr5344814oie.132.1619815526395; Fri, 30 Apr 2021 13:45:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ([2806:2f0:4060:638f:a2c5:89ff:fe0c:1151]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 34sm951405otf.38.2021.04.30.13.45.25 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Fri, 30 Apr 2021 13:45:25 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2021 15:45:24 -0500 From: Felipe Contreras To: Sebastian Schuberth , Theodore Ts'o Cc: =?UTF-8?B?w4Z2YXIgQXJuZmrDtnLDsCBCamFybWFzb24=?= , Git Mailing List , patchwork@lists.ozlabs.org Message-ID: <608c6c64746b2_2cb208ee@natae.notmuch> In-Reply-To: References: <22a0a383-0ae1-c7d1-75f7-7dfdfe5fb504@gmail.com> <87fszn48lh.fsf@evledraar.gmail.com> <87czuq4r4l.fsf@evledraar.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Pain points in Git's patch flow Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org Sebastian Schuberth wrote: > On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 12:34 AM Theodore Ts'o wrote: > > > The primary reason why the kernel uses mailing lists is because code > > reviews are fundamentally *discussions*, and people are used to using > > inboxes. Sure, you can have a gerrit server send e-mail notifications > > [...] > > > maintainers simply find e-mail reviews to simply be more *convenient* > > than using gerrit. And over time, we've used other tools to track > > That still sounds to me as if people are stuck to what they know. > Maintainers are "used to using inboxes'', and that's *why* they find > e-mail reviews to be convenient. I'm not stuck with what I know. The reason why I use the email workflow is not because "I'm stuck" with it, it's because I've tried every approach out there, and they are *all* inferior. You tell me of an approach and I will tell you all the ways in which it's inferior to email. If some people want to use Gerrit, and/or Patchwork on top of email, that's fine. You can use inferior approaches if you want, just don't force the rest of us to stop using the superior approach. Cheers. -- Felipe Contreras