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From: Chuck Lever III <chuck.lever@oracle.com>
To: Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>
Cc: netdev <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux NFS Mailing List <linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-nvme@lists.infradead.org" <linux-nvme@lists.infradead.org>,
	"linux-cifs@vger.kernel.org" <linux-cifs@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"ak@tempesta-tech.com" <ak@tempesta-tech.com>,
	"borisp@nvidia.com" <borisp@nvidia.com>,
	"simo@redhat.com" <simo@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 4/5] net/tls: Add support for PF_TLSH (a TLS handshake listener)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2022 21:54:01 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <661A8F3F-A95E-412E-B9A7-F35A95610729@oracle.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20220428140851.6e9eebd5@kernel.org>



> On Apr 28, 2022, at 5:08 PM, Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org> wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 28 Apr 2022 01:29:10 +0000 Chuck Lever III wrote:
>>> Is it possible to instead create a fd-passing-like structured message
>>> which could carry the fd and all the relevant context (what goes 
>>> via the getsockopt() now)?
>>> 
>>> The user space agent can open such upcall socket, then bind to
>>> whatever entity it wants to talk to on the kernel side and read
>>> the notifications via recv()?  
>> 
>> We considered this kind of design. A reasonable place to start there
>> would be to fabricate new NETLINK messages to do this. I don't see
>> much benefit over what is done now, it's just a different isomer of
>> syntactic sugar, but it could be considered.
>> 
>> The issue is how the connected socket is materialized in user space.
>> accept(2) is the historical way to instantiate an already connected
>> socket in a process's file table, and seems like a natural fit. When
>> the handshake agent is done with the handshake, it closes the socket.
>> This invokes the tlsh_release() function which can check 
> 
> Actually - is that strictly necessary? It seems reasonable for NFS to
> check that it got TLS, since that's what it explicitly asks for per
> standard. But it may not always be the goal. In large data center
> networks there can be a policy the user space agent consults to choose
> what security to install. It may end up doing the auth but not enable
> crypto if confidentiality is deemed unnecessary.

> Obviously you may not have those requirements but if we can cover them
> without extra complexity it'd be great.

We can be flexible about how/where handshake success is checked.

However, using a simple close(2) to signal that the handshake
has completed does not communicate whether the handshake was
indeed successful. We will need a (richer) return/error code
from the handshake agent for that use case.


>> whether the IV implantation was successful.
> 
> I'm used to IV meaning Initialization Vector in context of crypto,
> what does "IV implementation" stand for?

Implantation, not implementation. The handshake agent implants
the initialization vector in the socket before it closes it.


--
Chuck Lever




  reply	other threads:[~2022-04-28 21:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-04-18 16:49 [PATCH RFC 0/5] Implement a TLS handshake upcall Chuck Lever
2022-04-18 16:49 ` [PATCH RFC 1/5] net: Add distinct sk_psock field Chuck Lever
2022-04-21  7:35   ` Hannes Reinecke
2022-07-13  4:46     ` Hawkins Jiawei
2022-07-13  4:46       ` Hawkins Jiawei
2022-04-18 16:49 ` [PATCH RFC 2/5] tls: build proto after context has been initialized Chuck Lever
2022-04-25 17:11   ` Jakub Kicinski
2022-04-25 17:51     ` Chuck Lever III
2022-05-20 16:39   ` Chuck Lever III
2022-04-18 16:49 ` [PATCH RFC 3/5] net/tls: Add an AF_TLSH address family Chuck Lever
2022-04-21  7:35   ` Hannes Reinecke
2022-04-18 16:49 ` [PATCH RFC 4/5] net/tls: Add support for PF_TLSH (a TLS handshake listener) Chuck Lever
2022-04-21  7:36   ` Hannes Reinecke
2022-04-25 17:14   ` Jakub Kicinski
2022-04-26  9:43     ` Hannes Reinecke
2022-04-26 14:29       ` Sagi Grimberg
2022-04-26 15:02         ` Jakub Kicinski
2022-04-26 15:58           ` Hannes Reinecke
2022-04-27  0:03             ` Jakub Kicinski
2022-04-27 15:24               ` Chuck Lever III
2022-04-28  7:26               ` Hannes Reinecke
2022-04-28 13:30                 ` Jakub Kicinski
2022-04-28 13:51                   ` Hannes Reinecke
2022-04-28 14:09                     ` Benjamin Coddington
2022-04-28 21:08                       ` Jakub Kicinski
2022-05-24 10:05                         ` [ovs-dev] " Ilya Maximets
2022-04-26 14:55       ` Jakub Kicinski
2022-04-26 13:48     ` Chuck Lever III
2022-04-26 14:55       ` Jakub Kicinski
2022-04-26 15:58         ` Chuck Lever III
2022-04-26 23:47           ` Jakub Kicinski
2022-04-27 14:42             ` Chuck Lever III
2022-04-27 23:53               ` Jakub Kicinski
2022-04-28  1:29                 ` Chuck Lever III
2022-04-28 21:08                   ` Jakub Kicinski
2022-04-28 21:54                     ` Chuck Lever III [this message]
2022-04-28  8:49   ` Boris Pismenny
2022-04-28 13:12     ` Simo Sorce
2022-04-29 15:19       ` Chuck Lever III
2022-04-28 15:24     ` Chuck Lever III
2022-04-29  6:25       ` Hannes Reinecke
2022-04-18 16:49 ` [PATCH RFC 5/5] net/tls: Add observability for AF_TLSH sockets Chuck Lever
2022-04-21  7:36   ` Hannes Reinecke

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