From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1753452AbcC1Bo1 (ORCPT ); Sun, 27 Mar 2016 21:44:27 -0400 Received: from mail.efficios.com ([78.47.125.74]:49085 "EHLO mail.efficios.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1752595AbcC1BoZ (ORCPT ); Sun, 27 Mar 2016 21:44:25 -0400 Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2016 01:44:18 +0000 (UTC) From: Mathieu Desnoyers To: Peter Zijlstra , "Paul E. McKenney" Cc: "Chatre, Reinette" , Jacob Pan , Josh Triplett , Ross Green , John Stultz , Thomas Gleixner , lkml , Ingo Molnar , Lai Jiangshan , dipankar@in.ibm.com, Andrew Morton , rostedt , David Howells , Eric Dumazet , Darren Hart , =?utf-8?B?RnLDqWTDqXJpYw==?= Weisbecker , Oleg Nesterov , pranith kumar Message-ID: <683720290.37511.1459129458781.JavaMail.zimbra@efficios.com> In-Reply-To: <20160327204559.GV6356@twins.programming.kicks-ass.net> References: <20160318235641.GH4287@linux.vnet.ibm.com> <20160326152816.GW4287@linux.vnet.ibm.com> <20160326184940.GA23851@linux.vnet.ibm.com> <706246733.37102.1459030977316.JavaMail.zimbra@efficios.com> <20160327013456.GX4287@linux.vnet.ibm.com> <702204510.37291.1459086535844.JavaMail.zimbra@efficios.com> <20160327154018.GA4287@linux.vnet.ibm.com> <20160327204559.GV6356@twins.programming.kicks-ass.net> Subject: Re: rcu_preempt self-detected stall on CPU from 4.5-rc3, since 3.17 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: [78.47.125.74] X-Mailer: Zimbra 8.6.0_GA_1178 (ZimbraWebClient - FF45 (Linux)/8.6.0_GA_1178) Thread-Topic: rcu_preempt self-detected stall on CPU from 4.5-rc3, since 3.17 Thread-Index: Xcj6Jg0f7yh/fJ/sQi9p75pKoR673w== Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org ----- On Mar 27, 2016, at 4:45 PM, Peter Zijlstra peterz@infradead.org wrote: > On Sun, Mar 27, 2016 at 08:40:18AM -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote: >> Oh, and the patch I am running with is below. I am running x86, and so >> some other architectures would of course need the corresponding patch >> on that architecture. > >> -#define TIF_POLLING_NRFLAG 21 /* idle is polling for TIF_NEED_RESCHED */ >> +/* #define TIF_POLLING_NRFLAG 21 idle is polling for TIF_NEED_RESCHED */ > > x86 is the only arch that really uses this heavily IIRC. > > Most of the other archs need interrupts to wake up remote cores. > > So what we try to do is avoid sending IPIs when the CPU is idle, for the > remote wakeup case we use set_nr_if_polling() which sets > TIF_NEED_RESCHED if TIF_POLLING_NRFLAG was set. If it wasn't, we'll send > the IPI. Otherwise we rely on the idle loop to do sched_ttwu_pending() > when it breaks out of loop due to TIF_NEED_RESCHED. > > But, you need hotplug for this to happen, right? My understanding is that this seems to be detection of failures to be awakened for a long time on idle CPUs. It therefore seems to be more idle-related than cpu hotplug-related. I'm not saying that there is no issue with hotplug, just that the investigation so far seems to target mostly idle systems, AFAIK without stressing hotplug. > > We should not be migrating towards, or waking on, CPUs no longer present > in cpu_active_map, and there is a rcu/sched_sync() after clearing that > bit. Furthermore, migration_call() does a sched_ttwu_pending() (waking > any remaining stragglers) before we migrate all runnable tasks off the > dying CPU. > > > > The other interesting case would be resched_cpu(), which uses > set_nr_and_not_polling() to kick a remote cpu to call schedule(). It > atomically sets TIF_NEED_RESCHED and returns if TIF_POLLING_NRFLAG was > not set. If indeed not, it will send an IPI. > > This assumes the idle 'exit' path will do the same as the IPI does; and > if you look at cpu_idle_loop() it does indeed do both > preempt_fold_need_resched() and sched_ttwu_pending(). > > Note that one cannot rely on irq_enter()/irq_exit() being called for the > scheduler IPI. Looking at commit e3baac47f0e82c4be632f4f97215bb93bf16b342 : set_nr_if_polling() returns true if the ti->flags read has the _TIF_NEED_RESCHED bit set, which will skip the IPI. But it seems weird. The side that calls set_nr_if_polling() does the following: 1) llist_add(&p->wake_entry, &cpu_rq(cpu)->wake_list) 2) set_nr_if_polling(rq->idle) 3) (don't do smp_send_reschedule(cpu) since set_nr_if_polling() returned true) The idle loop does: 1) __current_set_polling() 2) __current_clr_polling() 3) smp_mb__after_atomic() 4) sched_ttwu_pending() 5) schedule_preempt_disabled() -> This will clear the TIF_NEED_RESCHED flag While the idle loop is in sched_ttwu_pending(), after it has done the llist_del_all() (thus has grabbed all the list entries), TIF_NEED_RESCHED is still set. If both list_all and set_nr_if_polling() are called right after the llist_del_all(), we will end up in a situation where we have an entry in the list, but there won't be any reschedule sent on the idle CPU until something else awakens it. On a _very_ idle CPU, this could take some time. set_nr_and_not_polling() don't seem to have the same issue, because it does not return true if TIF_NEED_RESCHED is observed as being already set: it really just depends on the state of the TIF_POLLING_NRFLAG bit. Am I missing something important ? Thanks, Mathieu -- Mathieu Desnoyers EfficiOS Inc. http://www.efficios.com