From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.17.10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7B84670 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2021 11:05:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.155] ([95.115.52.72]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue108 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MPosX-1ldaEj40EF-00Mtt2; Fri, 11 Jun 2021 12:58:51 +0200 Subject: Re: Maintainers / Kernel Summit 2021 planning kick-off To: James Bottomley , David Hildenbrand , Greg KH , Christoph Lameter Cc: Theodore Ts'o , Jiri Kosina , ksummit@lists.linux.dev, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-block@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org, linux-arch@vger.kernel.org, linux-api@vger.kernel.org References: From: "Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult" Message-ID: <6d8299e4-2707-7edf-ebe4-f5ca7b7ee8ca@metux.net> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2021 12:58:48 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.10.0 X-Mailing-List: ksummit@lists.linux.dev List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: tl Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:W1CuRBv9b9vfO/cntxLvE7zRNUCd1/dUgLqWvl6KCwi7Sw23ByG lxCAe9Q91/0vR2PyBETRIzab+l26EBWvYSHZ0LUnS9cubvCX5xzUC+CV5JjFwPCWXQxaQOo 5taiouS8C+FKLJ+dmpW4iHuaNuDY6rfJXKdICti+cmqPwkBEzGu+ypcMKrurkTnsQ34K6rI 06GNiokz08qz4bFDbl2SA== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:/sSkcGO1Nv4=:RiSFR16wMxL0kKQLUOVYgY mXMHqfP1D2aaKlrKeXknRPYC4+Mfm4V57ipwkdBU4cxbAdUaoT/FDkGrNAvDXaOqalgMIAcOG ETa6zdDLotrI3UNByrpgjxH0sF4vb3hKkcpmrXTRPxnPAPAp5OUTy6t+//NVpORoST/sbaRLv 8CP1bwqsN124KLSu+EXM3eGT8yYFR/aiwxgn0EhRbNoQZKY0vc1VWD0WP43mPH3cCSv/XZDFz 5kxzK6L3WGYMSjtXLrruoxtyWG2AbdFZyZgxLlB2Y+8h4KI+aW7CjmzoaHEgUAa/Gi8Pqv6ZP 5XkncvB8Co2UXXKscYFaqkCs0PnkOsnghlk5EnX/HG4DBrkmaQp/RNXOvb/XTsp1HMNm/78Hi usPyhiz/Bq7HPA5ovdEQQsYbBJr8+lTcB7e4iss3aUmsOKeb7AYlqxMTH9Nuw4GMk2AJeLrh7 266FrgLa7H0VMlkhLUdfyPwFIwVoRzDGDDEVttSmRRcwPKN7dgePi849aLI8gANExd8UuSO7Y HxJzhJvuI7XIEm2fuRP4JA= On 09.06.21 21:23, James Bottomley wrote: > but the US is definitely moving > to a regime that says once you're vaccinated it's pretty much over for As far as I see (watching from the other side of the globe), for most states it already is over, no matter whether somebody got a shot or not. (actually, getting reports of people *with* the shot get increasing trouble, eg. kept out of stores, schools, planes, ...). FL and TX seem to be the most relaxed states in this regard. Maybe ask DeStantis and Abbot whether they'd support such a conference in their states, maybe they'd even open their cheque books ;-) > you and I don't see a problem with taking advantage of that for hybrid > style events. However, even with the best will in the world, I can't > see much of a way around the problem that remote people at hybrid > events will always be at a disadvantage ... suggestions for improving > this are always welcome. Looking from a totally different angle, I believe the hybrid approach could even be a benefit. For example, longer talks - IMHO - are easier to do (and for the audience) when just recorded, so people can listen to them any time (and as often one wants to). Spontanous questions right after, I guess, are only helpful for a small minority that's already deep in that particular topic - in those cases I'd prefer a more personal conversation. Another scenario are expert working groups, where people already involved into certain topic talk closely - IMHO something where direct (group) calls are a good medium, and probably working better outside the strict time frames of such an event. Maybe it's good idea to jump back to square one and ask the question, what people actually expect from and try to achieve from such an event, before going into some actual planning. (I could only express my very personal view, but that's probably far from being representative) --mtx -- --- Hinweis: unverschlüsselte E-Mails können leicht abgehört und manipuliert werden ! Für eine vertrauliche Kommunikation senden Sie bitte ihren GPG/PGP-Schlüssel zu. --- Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult Free software and Linux embedded engineering info@metux.net -- +49-151-27565287