From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1754340AbcCZWXG (ORCPT ); Sat, 26 Mar 2016 18:23:06 -0400 Received: from mail.efficios.com ([78.47.125.74]:42011 "EHLO mail.efficios.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1750963AbcCZWXE (ORCPT ); Sat, 26 Mar 2016 18:23:04 -0400 Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2016 22:22:57 +0000 (UTC) From: Mathieu Desnoyers To: "Paul E. McKenney" Cc: "Chatre, Reinette" , Jacob Pan , Josh Triplett , Ross Green , John Stultz , Thomas Gleixner , Peter Zijlstra , lkml , Ingo Molnar , Lai Jiangshan , dipankar@in.ibm.com, Andrew Morton , rostedt , David Howells , Eric Dumazet , Darren Hart , =?utf-8?B?RnLDqWTDqXJpYw==?= Weisbecker , Oleg Nesterov , pranith kumar Message-ID: <706246733.37102.1459030977316.JavaMail.zimbra@efficios.com> In-Reply-To: <20160326184940.GA23851@linux.vnet.ibm.com> References: <20160318235641.GH4287@linux.vnet.ibm.com> <0D818C7A2259ED42912C1E04120FDE26712E4559@ORSMSX111.amr.corp.intel.com> <20160323182055.GG4287@linux.vnet.ibm.com> <0D818C7A2259ED42912C1E04120FDE26712E676E@ORSMSX111.amr.corp.intel.com> <20160325214623.GR4287@linux.vnet.ibm.com> <1370753660.36931.1458995371427.JavaMail.zimbra@efficios.com> <20160326152816.GW4287@linux.vnet.ibm.com> <20160326184940.GA23851@linux.vnet.ibm.com> Subject: Re: rcu_preempt self-detected stall on CPU from 4.5-rc3, since 3.17 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: [78.47.125.74] X-Mailer: Zimbra 8.6.0_GA_1178 (ZimbraWebClient - FF45 (Linux)/8.6.0_GA_1178) Thread-Topic: rcu_preempt self-detected stall on CPU from 4.5-rc3, since 3.17 Thread-Index: /i858nKNc/VcKkPPCndJ5Jy/9Hrwbg== Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org ----- On Mar 26, 2016, at 2:49 PM, Paul E. McKenney paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com wrote: > On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 08:28:16AM -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote: >> On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 12:29:31PM +0000, Mathieu Desnoyers wrote: >> > ----- On Mar 25, 2016, at 5:46 PM, Paul E. McKenney paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com >> > wrote: >> > >> > > On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 09:24:14PM +0000, Chatre, Reinette wrote: >> > >> Hi Paul, >> > >> >> > >> On 2016-03-23, Paul E. McKenney wrote: >> > >> > Please boot with the following parameters: >> > >> > >> > >> > rcu_tree.rcu_kick_kthreads ftrace >> > >> > trace_event=sched_waking,sched_wakeup,sched_wake_idle_without_ipi >> > >> >> > >> With these parameters I expected more details to show up in the kernel logs but >> > >> cannot find any. Even so, today I left the machine running again and when this >> > >> happened I think I was able to capture the trace data for the event. Please >> > >> find attached the trace information for the kernel message below. Since the >> > >> complete trace file is very big I trimmed it to show the time around this event >> > >> - hopefully this will contain the information you need. I would also like to >> > >> provide some additional information. The system on which I see these events had >> > >> a time that was _very_ wrong. I noticed that this issue occurs when >> > >> system-timesynd was one of the tasks calling the functions of interest to your >> > >> tracing and am wondering if a very out of sync time in process of being >> > >> corrected could be the cause of this issue? As an experiment I ensured the >> > >> system time was accurate before leaving the system idle overnight and I did not >> > >> see the issue the next morning. >> > > >> > > Ah! Yes, a sudden jump in time or a disagreement about the time among >> > > different components of the system can definitely cause these symptoms. >> > > We have sometimes seen these problems occur when a pair of CPUs have >> > > wildly different ideas about what time it is, for example. Please let >> > > me know how it goes. >> > > >> > > Also, in your trace, there are no sched_waking events for the rcu_preempt >> > > process that are not immediately followed by sched_wakeup, so your trace >> > > isn't showing the problem that I am seeing. >> > >> > This is interesting. >> > >> > Perhaps we could try with those commits reverted ? >> > >> > commit e3baac47f0e82c4be632f4f97215bb93bf16b342 >> > Author: Peter Zijlstra >> > Date: Wed Jun 4 10:31:18 2014 -0700 >> > >> > sched/idle: Optimize try-to-wake-up IPI >> > >> > commit fd99f91aa007ba255aac44fe6cf21c1db398243a >> > Author: Peter Zijlstra >> > Date: Wed Apr 9 15:35:08 2014 +0200 >> > >> > sched/idle: Avoid spurious wakeup IPIs >> > >> > They appeared in 3.16. >> >> At this point, I am up for trying pretty much anything. ;-) >> >> Will give it a go. > > And those certainly don't revert cleanly! Would patching the kernel > to remove the definition of TIF_POLLING_NRFLAG be useful? Or, more > to the point, is there some other course of action that would be more > useful? At this point, the test times are measured in weeks... Indeed, patching the kernel to remove the TIF_POLLING_NRFLAG definition would have an effect similar to reverting those two commits. Since testing takes a while, we could take a more aggressive approach towards reproducing a possible race condition: we could re-implement the _TIF_POLLING_NRFLAG vs _TIF_NEED_RESCHED dance, along with the ttwu pending lock-list queue, within a dummy test module, with custom data structures, and stress-test the invariants. We could also create a Promela model of these ipi-skip optimisations trying to validate progress: whenever a wakeup is requested, there should always be a scheduling performed, even if no further wakeup is encountered. Each of the two approaches proposed above might be a significant endeavor, and would only validate my specific hunch. So it might be a good idea to just let a test run for a few weeks with TIF_POLLING_NRFLAG disabled meanwhile. Thoughts ? Thanks, Mathieu -- Mathieu Desnoyers EfficiOS Inc. http://www.efficios.com