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To: Jonathan Corbet Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org References: <20180919081812.020f19e3@lwn.net> From: Edward Cree Message-ID: <72dadc76-44fe-ecb5-e142-0a9129082c93@cantab.net> Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2018 00:35:10 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20180919081812.020f19e3@lwn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On 19/09/18 15:18, Jonathan Corbet wrote: > I'd like to address just this part, speaking only for myself. > The LF is not in the position of arbitrating anything here. The body > charged with that is the LF Technical Advisory Board, which is a > different thing. Thank you for clarifying that. Jon, you're a good person, and I trust you not to harass developers. =C2=A0I'm not expecting you, or gregkh, or hpa to launch a dastardly plot =C2=A0to boot an innocent developer off the project. But there are too many ways this can go wrong, maybe not now or next =C2=A0week but in five or ten years, when maybe a different kind of perso= n =C2=A0is on the TAB, or maybe external pressure is brought to bear on TAB =C2=A0members.=C2=A0 (Some people are speculating that pressure has alrea= dy =C2=A0been brought to bear on Linus, although I'd like to stress that if =C2=A0he feels that changing the way he communicates is best for the =C2=A0project then I for one thoroughly respect that.) Or maybe some manipulative extrovert will manage to whip up a media =C2=A0storm about some developer's innocuous remarks, the court of public =C2=A0opinion will immediately convict, other developers will be caught =C2=A0in a preference falsification cascade as no-one wants to take the =C2=A0risk of defending them.=C2=A0 Are you, and the other members of the= TAB, =C2=A0strong enough to hold back the lynch mobs when you know the guy =C2=A0hasn't done anything wrong?=C2=A0 Do you really want to take on the =C2=A0responsibility to do that, perhaps time and time again?=C2=A0 And c= an =C2=A0you be sure that you won't fall for a misleading framing by some =C2=A0charismatic sociopath of a fight you missed the start of? Given that possibility, I think it is important for the kernel =C2=A0community to continue to send a strong signal that divisive identit= y =C2=A0politics are not welcome here; and I think that to adopt a Code of =C2=A0Conduct that contains in its opening sentence a laundry-list of =C2=A0protected classes (and was written by a, shall we say, divisive =C2=A0figure with a history of identity politics advocacy) sends precisel= y =C2=A0the opposite signal. Linux is too important to civilisation to allow it to be turned into =C2=A0just another battlefield for the American culture war; commit =C2=A08a104f8b5867 seems like an invitation to both armies to take up =C2=A0positions on our fertile farmland.=C2=A0 The only rule that gives n= o =C2=A0comfort to discriminatory political abusers (on either side) is=E2=80= =94 =C2=A0ye shall judge by their code alone.