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From: Jeff Layton <jlayton@redhat.com>
To: Steve French <smfrench@gmail.com>
Cc: David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>,
	Trond Myklebust <trondmy@hammerspace.com>,
	Anna Schumaker <anna.schumaker@netapp.com>,
	Steve French <sfrench@samba.org>,
	Dominique Martinet <asmadeus@codewreck.org>,
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	ceph-devel@vger.kernel.org, Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
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	v9fs-developer@lists.sourceforge.net,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
	linux-fsdevel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-nfs <linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	David Wysochanski <dwysocha@redhat.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/33] Network fs helper library & fscache kiocb API [ver #3]
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2021 06:01:16 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <752a8c91b7a418fa52cb8a8f28cb30155a574904.camel@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAH2r5mvPLivjuE=cbijzGSHOvx-hkWSWbcxpoBnJX-BR9pBskQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, 2021-02-15 at 18:40 -0600, Steve French wrote:
> Jeff,
> What are the performance differences you are seeing (positive or
> negative) with ceph and netfs, especially with simple examples like
> file copy or grep of large files?
> 
> It could be good if netfs simplifies the problem experienced by
> network filesystems on Linux with readahead on large sequential reads
> - where we don't get as much parallelism due to only having one
> readahead request at a time (thus in many cases there is 'dead time'
> on either the network or the file server while waiting for the next
> readpages request to be issued).   This can be a significant
> performance problem for current readpages when network latency is long
> (or e.g. in cases when network encryption is enabled, and hardware
> offload not available so time consuming on the server or client to
> encrypt the packet).
> 
> Do you see netfs much faster than currentreadpages for ceph?
> 
> Have you been able to get much benefit from throttling readahead with
> ceph from the current netfs approach for clamping i/o?
> 

I haven't seen big performance differences at all with this set. It's
pretty much a wash, and it doesn't seem to change how the I/Os are
ultimately driven on the wire. For instance, the clamp_length op
basically just mirrors what ceph does today -- it ensures that the
length of the I/O can't go past the end of the current object.

The main benefits are that we get a large swath of readpage, readpages
amd write_begin code out of ceph altogether. All of the netfs's need to
gather and vet pages for I/O, etc. Most of that doesn't have anything to
do with the filesystem itself. By offloading that into the netfs lib,
most of that is taken care of for us and we don't need to bother with
doing that ourselves.

-- 
Jeff Layton <jlayton@redhat.com>


  parent reply	other threads:[~2021-02-16 11:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 81+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-02-15 15:44 David Howells
2021-02-15 15:44 ` [PATCH 01/33] iov_iter: Add ITER_XARRAY David Howells
2021-02-15 15:44 ` [PATCH 02/33] mm: Add an unlock function for PG_private_2/PG_fscache David Howells
2021-02-16 10:26   ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-02-15 15:44 ` [PATCH 03/33] mm: Implement readahead_control pageset expansion David Howells
2021-02-16 10:32   ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-02-16 13:22     ` Matthew Wilcox
2021-02-17 14:36       ` Mike Marshall
2021-02-17 14:36         ` Mike Marshall
2021-02-17 15:42       ` David Howells
2021-02-17 16:59         ` Mike Marshall
2021-02-17 16:59           ` Mike Marshall
2021-02-17 22:20         ` David Howells
2021-02-16 11:48   ` David Howells
2021-02-17 16:13   ` Matthew Wilcox
2021-02-17 22:34   ` David Howells
2021-02-17 22:49     ` Matthew Wilcox
2021-02-18 17:47   ` David Howells
2021-02-15 15:45 ` [PATCH 04/33] vfs: Export rw_verify_area() for use by cachefiles David Howells
2021-02-16 10:26   ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-02-16 11:55   ` David Howells
2021-02-15 15:45 ` [PATCH 05/33] netfs: Make a netfs helper module David Howells
2021-02-15 15:45 ` [PATCH 06/33] netfs, mm: Move PG_fscache helper funcs to linux/netfs.h David Howells
2021-02-15 15:45 ` [PATCH 07/33] netfs, mm: Add unlock_page_fscache() and wait_on_page_fscache() David Howells
2021-02-15 15:45 ` [PATCH 08/33] netfs: Provide readahead and readpage netfs helpers David Howells
2021-02-15 15:45 ` [PATCH 09/33] netfs: Add tracepoints David Howells
2021-02-15 15:46 ` [PATCH 10/33] netfs: Gather stats David Howells
2021-02-15 15:46 ` [PATCH 11/33] netfs: Add write_begin helper David Howells
2021-02-15 15:46 ` [PATCH 12/33] netfs: Define an interface to talk to a cache David Howells
2021-02-15 15:46 ` [PATCH 13/33] netfs: Hold a ref on a page when PG_private_2 is set David Howells
2021-02-15 15:47 ` [PATCH 14/33] fscache, cachefiles: Add alternate API to use kiocb for read/write to cache David Howells
2021-02-16 10:49   ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-02-16 15:08   ` David Howells
2021-02-15 15:47 ` [PATCH 15/33] afs: Disable use of the fscache I/O routines David Howells
2021-02-15 15:47 ` [PATCH 16/33] afs: Pass page into dirty region helpers to provide THP size David Howells
2021-02-15 15:47 ` [PATCH 17/33] afs: Print the operation debug_id when logging an unexpected data version David Howells
2021-02-15 15:47 ` [PATCH 18/33] afs: Move key to afs_read struct David Howells
2021-02-15 15:47 ` [PATCH 19/33] afs: Don't truncate iter during data fetch David Howells
2021-02-15 15:48 ` [PATCH 20/33] afs: Log remote unmarshalling errors David Howells
2021-02-15 15:48 ` [PATCH 21/33] afs: Set up the iov_iter before calling afs_extract_data() David Howells
2021-02-15 15:48 ` [PATCH 22/33] afs: Use ITER_XARRAY for writing David Howells
2021-02-15 15:48 ` [PATCH 23/33] afs: Wait on PG_fscache before modifying/releasing a page David Howells
2021-02-15 15:49 ` [PATCH 24/33] afs: Extract writeback extension into its own function David Howells
2021-02-15 15:49 ` [PATCH 25/33] afs: Prepare for use of THPs David Howells
2021-02-15 15:49 ` [PATCH 26/33] afs: Use the fs operation ops to handle FetchData completion David Howells
2021-02-15 15:49 ` [PATCH 27/33] afs: Use new fscache read helper API David Howells
2021-02-15 15:49 ` [PATCH 28/33] ceph: disable old fscache readpage handling David Howells
2021-02-15 15:50 ` [PATCH 29/33] ceph: rework PageFsCache handling David Howells
2021-02-15 15:50 ` [PATCH 30/33] ceph: fix fscache invalidation David Howells
2021-02-15 15:50 ` [PATCH 31/33] ceph: convert readpage to fscache read helper David Howells
2021-02-15 15:50 ` [PATCH 32/33] ceph: plug write_begin into " David Howells
2021-02-15 15:51 ` [PATCH 33/33] ceph: convert ceph_readpages to ceph_readahead David Howells
2021-02-15 18:05 ` [PATCH 00/33] Network fs helper library & fscache kiocb API [ver #3] Jeff Layton
2021-02-15 18:05   ` Jeff Layton
2021-02-16  0:40   ` Steve French
2021-02-16  0:40     ` Steve French
2021-02-16  2:10     ` Matthew Wilcox
2021-02-16  5:18       ` Steve French
2021-02-16  5:18         ` Steve French
2021-02-16  5:22       ` Steve French
2021-02-16  5:22         ` Steve French
2021-02-23 20:27         ` Matthew Wilcox
2021-02-23 20:27           ` [f2fs-dev] " Matthew Wilcox
2021-02-24  4:57           ` Steve French
2021-02-24  4:57             ` [f2fs-dev] " Steve French
2021-02-24  4:57             ` Steve French
2021-02-24 13:32       ` David Howells
2021-02-24 15:51         ` Matthew Wilcox
2021-02-16 11:01     ` Jeff Layton [this message]
2021-02-16 11:01       ` Jeff Layton
2021-02-15 22:46 ` [PATCH 34/33] netfs: Use in_interrupt() not in_softirq() David Howells
2021-02-16  8:42   ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-02-16  9:06     ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2021-02-16  9:29   ` David Howells
2021-02-16  9:30     ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-02-18 14:02     ` [PATCH 34/33] netfs: Pass flag rather than use in_softirq() David Howells
2021-02-18 15:06       ` Marc Dionne
2021-02-18 15:06         ` Marc Dionne
2021-02-18 15:16       ` Marc Dionne
2021-02-18 15:16         ` Marc Dionne
2021-02-19  9:01       ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior

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