From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.3 required=3.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS,USER_AGENT_SANE_1 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36395C74A51 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2019 09:52:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [209.132.180.67]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FDEC21019 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2019 09:52:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1728360AbfGKJwa (ORCPT ); Thu, 11 Jul 2019 05:52:30 -0400 Received: from foss.arm.com ([217.140.110.172]:44022 "EHLO foss.arm.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1728282AbfGKJwa (ORCPT ); Thu, 11 Jul 2019 05:52:30 -0400 Received: from usa-sjc-imap-foss1.foss.arm.com (unknown [10.121.207.14]) by usa-sjc-mx-foss1.foss.arm.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14791337; Thu, 11 Jul 2019 02:52:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.1.197.61] (usa-sjc-imap-foss1.foss.arm.com [10.121.207.14]) by usa-sjc-imap-foss1.foss.arm.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 343EF3F71F; Thu, 11 Jul 2019 02:52:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [PATCH kvm-unit-tests] arm: Add PL031 test To: Andre Przywara , Paolo Bonzini Cc: Alexander Graf , kvm@vger.kernel.org, kvmarm@lists.cs.columbia.edu References: <20190710132724.28350-1-graf@amazon.com> <20190710180235.25c54b84@donnerap.cambridge.arm.com> <35e19306-d31b-187b-185d-e783f8d5a51a@redhat.com> <1537a9f2-9d23-97dd-b195-8239b263d5db@amazon.com> <8c88eb2e-b401-42c7-f04f-2162f26af32c@redhat.com> <20190711104200.254073fb@donnerap.cambridge.arm.com> From: Marc Zyngier Openpgp: preference=signencrypt Autocrypt: addr=marc.zyngier@arm.com; prefer-encrypt=mutual; keydata= mQINBE6Jf0UBEADLCxpix34Ch3kQKA9SNlVQroj9aHAEzzl0+V8jrvT9a9GkK+FjBOIQz4KE g+3p+lqgJH4NfwPm9H5I5e3wa+Scz9wAqWLTT772Rqb6hf6kx0kKd0P2jGv79qXSmwru28vJ t9NNsmIhEYwS5eTfCbsZZDCnR31J6qxozsDHpCGLHlYym/VbC199Uq/pN5gH+5JHZyhyZiNW ozUCjMqC4eNW42nYVKZQfbj/k4W9xFfudFaFEhAf/Vb1r6F05eBP1uopuzNkAN7vqS8XcgQH qXI357YC4ToCbmqLue4HK9+2mtf7MTdHZYGZ939OfTlOGuxFW+bhtPQzsHiW7eNe0ew0+LaL 3wdNzT5abPBscqXWVGsZWCAzBmrZato+Pd2bSCDPLInZV0j+rjt7MWiSxEAEowue3IcZA++7 ifTDIscQdpeKT8hcL+9eHLgoSDH62SlubO/y8bB1hV8JjLW/jQpLnae0oz25h39ij4ijcp8N t5slf5DNRi1NLz5+iaaLg4gaM3ywVK2VEKdBTg+JTg3dfrb3DH7ctTQquyKun9IVY8AsxMc6 lxl4HxrpLX7HgF10685GG5fFla7R1RUnW5svgQhz6YVU33yJjk5lIIrrxKI/wLlhn066mtu1 DoD9TEAjwOmpa6ofV6rHeBPehUwMZEsLqlKfLsl0PpsJwov8TQARAQABtCNNYXJjIFp5bmdp ZXIgPG1hcmMuenluZ2llckBhcm0uY29tPokCTwQTAQIAOQIbAwYLCQgHAwIGFQgCCQoLBBYC AwECHgECF4AWIQSf1RxT4LVjGP2VnD0j0NC60T16QwUCXR3BUgAKCRAj0NC60T16Qyd/D/9s x0puxd3lI+jdLMEY8sTsNxw/+CZfyKaHtysasZlloLK7ftYhRUc63mMW2mrvgB1GEnXYIdj3 g6Qo4csoDuN+9EBmejh7SglM/h0evOtrY2V5QmZA/e/Pqfj0P3N/Eb5BiB3R4ptLtvKCTsqr 3womxCRqQY3IrMn1s2qfpmeNLUIfCUtgh8opzPtFuFJWVBzbzvhPEApZzMe9Vs1O2P8BQaay QXpbzHaKruthoLICRzS/3UCe0N/mBZQRKHrqhPwvjZdO0KMqjSsPqfukOJ8bl5jZxYk+G/3T 66Z4JUpZ7RkcrX7CvBfZqRo19WyWFfjGz79iVMJNIEkJvJBANbTSiWUC6IkP+zT/zWYzZPXx XRlrKWSBBqJrWQKZBwKOLsL62oQG7ARvpCG9rZ6hd5CLQtPI9dasgTwOIA1OW2mWzi20jDjD cGC9ifJiyWL8L/bgwyL3F/G0R1gxAfnRUknyzqfpLy5cSgwKCYrXOrRqgHoB+12HA/XQUG+k vKW8bbdVk5XZPc5ghdFIlza/pb1946SrIg1AsjaEMZqunh0G7oQhOWHKOd6fH0qg8NssMqQl jLfFiOlgEV2mnaz6XXQe/viXPwa4NCmdXqxeBDpJmrNMtbEbq+QUbgcwwle4Xx2/07ICkyZH +7RvbmZ/dM9cpzMAU53sLxSIVQT5lj23WLkCDQROiX9FARAAz/al0tgJaZ/eu0iI/xaPk3DK NIvr9SsKFe2hf3CVjxriHcRfoTfriycglUwtvKvhvB2Y8pQuWfLtP9Hx3H+YI5a78PO2tU1C JdY5Momd3/aJBuUFP5blbx6n+dLDepQhyQrAp2mVC3NIp4T48n4YxL4Og0MORytWNSeygISv Rordw7qDmEsa7wgFsLUIlhKmmV5VVv+wAOdYXdJ9S8n+XgrxSTgHj5f3QqkDtT0yG8NMLLmY kZpOwWoMumeqn/KppPY/uTIwbYTD56q1UirDDB5kDRL626qm63nF00ByyPY+6BXH22XD8smj f2eHw2szECG/lpD4knYjxROIctdC+gLRhz+Nlf8lEHmvjHgiErfgy/lOIf+AV9lvDF3bztjW M5oP2WGeR7VJfkxcXt4JPdyDIH6GBK7jbD7bFiXf6vMiFCrFeFo/bfa39veKUk7TRlnX13go gIZxqR6IvpkG0PxOu2RGJ7Aje/SjytQFa2NwNGCDe1bH89wm9mfDW3BuZF1o2+y+eVqkPZj0 mzfChEsiNIAY6KPDMVdInILYdTUAC5H26jj9CR4itBUcjE/tMll0n2wYRZ14Y/PM+UosfAhf YfN9t2096M9JebksnTbqp20keDMEBvc3KBkboEfoQLU08NDo7ncReitdLW2xICCnlkNIUQGS WlFVPcTQ2sMAEQEAAYkCHwQYAQIACQUCTol/RQIbDAAKCRAj0NC60T16QwsFD/9T4y30O0Wn MwIgcU8T2c2WwKbvmPbaU2LDqZebHdxQDemX65EZCv/NALmKdA22MVSbAaQeqsDD5KYbmCyC czilJ1i+tpZoJY5kJALHWWloI6Uyi2s1zAwlMktAZzgGMnI55Ifn0dAOK0p8oy7/KNGHNPwJ eHKzpHSRgysQ3S1t7VwU4mTFJtXQaBFMMXg8rItP5GdygrFB7yUbG6TnrXhpGkFBrQs9p+SK vCqRS3Gw+dquQ9QR+QGWciEBHwuSad5gu7QC9taN8kJQfup+nJL8VGtAKgGr1AgRx/a/V/QA ikDbt/0oIS/kxlIdcYJ01xuMrDXf1jFhmGZdocUoNJkgLb1iFAl5daV8MQOrqciG+6tnLeZK HY4xCBoigV7E8KwEE5yUfxBS0yRreNb+pjKtX6pSr1Z/dIo+td/sHfEHffaMUIRNvJlBeqaj BX7ZveskVFafmErkH7HC+7ErIaqoM4aOh/Z0qXbMEjFsWA5yVXvCoJWSHFImL9Bo6PbMGpI0 9eBrkNa1fd6RGcktrX6KNfGZ2POECmKGLTyDC8/kb180YpDJERN48S0QBa3Rvt06ozNgFgZF Wvu5Li5PpY/t/M7AAkLiVTtlhZnJWyEJrQi9O2nXTzlG1PeqGH2ahuRxn7txA5j5PHZEZdL1 Z46HaNmN2hZS/oJ69c1DI5Rcww== Organization: ARM Ltd Message-ID: <75578652-0396-d349-3d81-da7190e2d714@arm.com> Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2019 10:52:26 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux aarch64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.7.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20190711104200.254073fb@donnerap.cambridge.arm.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: kvm-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: kvm@vger.kernel.org On 11/07/2019 10:42, Andre Przywara wrote: > On Thu, 11 Jul 2019 09:52:42 +0200 > Paolo Bonzini wrote: > > Hi, > >> On 11/07/19 07:49, Alexander Graf wrote: >>>> I agree that it would belong more in qtest, but tests in not exactly the >>>> right place is better than no tests. >>> >>> The problem with qtest is that it tests QEMU device models from a QEMU >>> internal view. >> >> Not really: fundamentally it tests QEMU device models with stimuli that >> come from another process in the host, rather than code that runs in a >> guest. It does have hooks into QEMU's internal view (mostly to >> intercept interrupts and advance the clocks), but the main feature of >> the protocol is the ability to do memory reads and writes. >> >>> I am much more interested in the guest visible side of things. If >>> kvmtool wanted to implement a PL031, it should be able to execute the >>> same test that we run against QEMU, no? > > One of the design goals of kvmtool is to get away with as little emulation > as possible, in favour of paravirtualisation (so it's just virtio and not > IDE/flash). So a hardware RTC emulation sounds dispensable in this context. Funnily enough, kvmtool does have a RTC emulation (MC146818). The support code in Linux is so braindead that I gave up on it about 5 years ago. M. -- Jazz is not dead. It just smells funny... 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Linux aarch64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.7.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20190711104200.254073fb@donnerap.cambridge.arm.com> Content-Language: en-US Cc: Alexander Graf , kvmarm@lists.cs.columbia.edu, kvm@vger.kernel.org X-BeenThere: kvmarm@lists.cs.columbia.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Where KVM/ARM decisions are made List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: kvmarm-bounces@lists.cs.columbia.edu Sender: kvmarm-bounces@lists.cs.columbia.edu On 11/07/2019 10:42, Andre Przywara wrote: > On Thu, 11 Jul 2019 09:52:42 +0200 > Paolo Bonzini wrote: > > Hi, > >> On 11/07/19 07:49, Alexander Graf wrote: >>>> I agree that it would belong more in qtest, but tests in not exactly the >>>> right place is better than no tests. >>> >>> The problem with qtest is that it tests QEMU device models from a QEMU >>> internal view. >> >> Not really: fundamentally it tests QEMU device models with stimuli that >> come from another process in the host, rather than code that runs in a >> guest. It does have hooks into QEMU's internal view (mostly to >> intercept interrupts and advance the clocks), but the main feature of >> the protocol is the ability to do memory reads and writes. >> >>> I am much more interested in the guest visible side of things. If >>> kvmtool wanted to implement a PL031, it should be able to execute the >>> same test that we run against QEMU, no? > > One of the design goals of kvmtool is to get away with as little emulation > as possible, in favour of paravirtualisation (so it's just virtio and not > IDE/flash). So a hardware RTC emulation sounds dispensable in this context. Funnily enough, kvmtool does have a RTC emulation (MC146818). The support code in Linux is so braindead that I gave up on it about 5 years ago. M. -- Jazz is not dead. It just smells funny... _______________________________________________ kvmarm mailing list kvmarm@lists.cs.columbia.edu https://lists.cs.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/kvmarm