I said earlier that the hard disk freezes I was experiencing stopped whenever a readable disk was in the optical drive, and indeed I didn't notice any for several days, but just now I definitely had a freeze with a CD in the drive. The dmesg looks indistinguishable to me, but then I'm not a kernel hacker. Should I open a bug about this, or talk to the HAL people, or what? dmesg and lspci -vvx attached Keenan Pepper