From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S965014AbXBFQVA (ORCPT ); Tue, 6 Feb 2007 11:21:00 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S964972AbXBFQVA (ORCPT ); Tue, 6 Feb 2007 11:21:00 -0500 Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com ([66.249.82.229]:59052 "EHLO wx-out-0506.google.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S965041AbXBFQU7 (ORCPT ); Tue, 6 Feb 2007 11:20:59 -0500 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:message-id:cc:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=dzDLUAnANjXM8ItxzhKDbKs6twrD/uCPHSSmuFiCxaLZW6cmRGsPb9kuvvSRHT+nnHLpIc/JP+Ko4x6cdnBKP6fHQ2IS1WjoIGMJLA9FPHqP8QXBEchDOwI0od4MEs9pJW9E6CZwYXP1cV5+j6AKd+Qi+3DwkTHHN+OXr4Xw/LM= In-Reply-To: <45C8A4E9.9080304@tmr.com> References: <20070205084523.GA21858@elte.hu> <1170682488.29759.795.camel@pmac.infradead.org> <20070205155627.GA8354@elte.hu> <1170692539.29759.856.camel@pmac.infradead.org> <20070205162635.GA755@elte.hu> <20070205163152.GA2464@elte.hu> <1170710272.29759.894.camel@pmac.infradead.org> <1170711587.29759.909.camel@pmac.infradead.org> <1170712393.29759.925.camel@pmac.infradead.org> <20070205143110.fca62b57.randy.dunlap@oracle.com> <1170717694.29759.941.camel@pmac.infradead.org> <45C8A4E9.9080304@tmr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <7720E26E-0A23-4DF0-8830-1209F37501DA@gmail.com> Cc: Linus Torvalds , David Woodhouse , Randy Dunlap , Ingo Molnar , Linux Kernel Mailing List Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Rustad Subject: Re: [patch] MTD: fix DOC2000/2001/2001PLUS build error Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 10:20:56 -0600 To: Bill Davidsen X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Feb 6, 2007, at 9:55 AM, Bill Davidsen wrote: > Mark Rustad wrote: >> On Feb 5, 2007, at 5:32 PM, Linus Torvalds wrote: >> >>> And I told you that you could just improve the tools that track >>> those >>> dependencies ANYWAY! >> They aren't that bad even now. Using menuconfig (I'm a fossil that >> just uses curses for most things), hitting ? shows what depends or >> selects any particular entry. That is good enough for me now. >> Maybe I am just willing to ask for help, but the help already >> seems to be there. > I think the problem Linus referenced with not even seeing an option > is an issue, you can't "?" on an option you can't see. An I use > menuconfig also, from long habit (accessing a remote compile server > with slow dialup). Yes, of course. My point was that if you are "the embedded guy" (like I often am) trying to turn something off, the tools show you what to look at already. They are currently no help if the option does not appear, as you say. So automatically selecting things that are required for something is much better than hiding too much. At least it is easy to find out why something is selected if you really want to turn it off. If more things worked as Linus suggests, I don't think the tools need much in the way of improvement. It really is more about how they are used as they are. That is not to say that tools improvements are not always welcome, but the current tools seem to work pretty well. -- Mark Rustad, MRustad@gmail.com