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From: Jean-Philippe Brucker <jean-philippe.brucker@arm.com>
To: Jacob Pan <jacob.jun.pan@linux.intel.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 02/10] iommu/sva: Bind process address spaces to devices
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2018 16:06:06 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <79c0e0e1-691e-b8e1-0e68-21876135d2ab@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180926110103.45b57f75@jacob-builder>

On 26/09/2018 19:01, Jacob Pan wrote:
> On Mon, 24 Sep 2018 13:07:47 +0100
> Jean-Philippe Brucker <jean-philippe.brucker@arm.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 23/09/2018 04:05, Lu Baolu wrote:
>> > Hi,
>> > 
>> > On 09/21/2018 01:00 AM, Jean-Philippe Brucker wrote:  
>> >> Add bind() and unbind() operations to the IOMMU API. Bind()
>> >> returns a PASID that drivers can program in hardware, to let their
>> >> devices access an mm. This patch only adds skeletons for the
>> >> device driver API, most of the implementation is still missing.  
>> > 
>> > Is it possible that a malicious process can unbind a pasid which is
>> > used by another normal process?  
>> 
>> Yes, it's up to the device driver that calls unbind() to check that
>> the caller is allowed to unbind this PASID. We can't do it ourselves
>> since unbind() could also be called from a kernel thread for example
>> from a cleanup function in some workqueue, outside the context of the
>> process to unbind.

Actually I'm not too concerned about a process unbinding another one,
since in general only the kernel will hold the PASID values. Userspace
shouldn't even need to see them, so issuing unbind() with the wrong
PASID isn't an easy mistake.

> I am wondering if we can avoid the complexity around permission
> checking by simply _only_ allow bind/unbind() on current mm? what would
> be the missing use cases if we bind current only?
> It can also avoid other race such as unbind and mmu_notifier release
> call.

That's tempting but may be too restrictive. I just tried to copy what
the current AMD and Intel drivers do in their SVA implementation, but I
don't know if users will need all of it. At the moment the amdkfd driver
does unbind() from a workqueue, although moving to the generic API might
simplify things there.

Callers can easily enforce that only current->mm is passed to bind(). I
don't know if allowing a process to bind another one is a real use-case,
but the permission check on the device driver side is fairly easy, and
disallowing it wouldn't simplify iommu-sva.

Even if we allow bind() only on current, forcing unbind() to be done on
current means that the driver can't clean things up from a workqueue.
But you're right that this restriction would make things *much* simpler
for the exit()/unbind() race.

Thanks,
Jean

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Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 02/10] iommu/sva: Bind process address spaces to devices
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2018 16:06:06 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <79c0e0e1-691e-b8e1-0e68-21876135d2ab@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180926110103.45b57f75@jacob-builder>

On 26/09/2018 19:01, Jacob Pan wrote:
> On Mon, 24 Sep 2018 13:07:47 +0100
> Jean-Philippe Brucker <jean-philippe.brucker@arm.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 23/09/2018 04:05, Lu Baolu wrote:
>> > Hi,
>> > 
>> > On 09/21/2018 01:00 AM, Jean-Philippe Brucker wrote:  
>> >> Add bind() and unbind() operations to the IOMMU API. Bind()
>> >> returns a PASID that drivers can program in hardware, to let their
>> >> devices access an mm. This patch only adds skeletons for the
>> >> device driver API, most of the implementation is still missing.  
>> > 
>> > Is it possible that a malicious process can unbind a pasid which is
>> > used by another normal process?  
>> 
>> Yes, it's up to the device driver that calls unbind() to check that
>> the caller is allowed to unbind this PASID. We can't do it ourselves
>> since unbind() could also be called from a kernel thread for example
>> from a cleanup function in some workqueue, outside the context of the
>> process to unbind.

Actually I'm not too concerned about a process unbinding another one,
since in general only the kernel will hold the PASID values. Userspace
shouldn't even need to see them, so issuing unbind() with the wrong
PASID isn't an easy mistake.

> I am wondering if we can avoid the complexity around permission
> checking by simply _only_ allow bind/unbind() on current mm? what would
> be the missing use cases if we bind current only?
> It can also avoid other race such as unbind and mmu_notifier release
> call.

That's tempting but may be too restrictive. I just tried to copy what
the current AMD and Intel drivers do in their SVA implementation, but I
don't know if users will need all of it. At the moment the amdkfd driver
does unbind() from a workqueue, although moving to the generic API might
simplify things there.

Callers can easily enforce that only current->mm is passed to bind(). I
don't know if allowing a process to bind another one is a real use-case,
but the permission check on the device driver side is fairly easy, and
disallowing it wouldn't simplify iommu-sva.

Even if we allow bind() only on current, forcing unbind() to be done on
current means that the driver can't clean things up from a workqueue.
But you're right that this restriction would make things *much* simpler
for the exit()/unbind() race.

Thanks,
Jean
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Thread overview: 87+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-09-20 17:00 [PATCH v3 00/10] Shared Virtual Addressing for the IOMMU Jean-Philippe Brucker
2018-09-20 17:00 ` Jean-Philippe Brucker
2018-09-20 17:00 ` [PATCH v3 01/10] iommu: Introduce Shared Virtual Addressing API Jean-Philippe Brucker
2018-09-20 17:00   ` Jean-Philippe Brucker
     [not found]   ` <20180920170046.20154-2-jean-philippe.brucker-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2018-09-23  2:39     ` Lu Baolu
2018-09-24 12:07       ` Jean-Philippe Brucker
2018-09-24 12:07         ` Jean-Philippe Brucker
2018-09-25 13:16       ` Joerg Roedel
2018-09-25 13:16         ` Joerg Roedel
2018-09-25 22:46         ` Jacob Pan
2018-09-25 22:46           ` Jacob Pan
2018-09-26 10:14           ` Jean-Philippe Brucker
2018-09-26 10:14             ` Jean-Philippe Brucker
2018-09-26 12:48           ` Joerg Roedel
2018-09-26 12:48             ` Joerg Roedel
2018-09-20 17:00 ` [PATCH v3 02/10] iommu/sva: Bind process address spaces to devices Jean-Philippe Brucker
2018-09-20 17:00   ` Jean-Philippe Brucker
2018-09-23  3:05   ` Lu Baolu
2018-09-23  3:05     ` Lu Baolu
2018-09-24 12:07     ` Jean-Philippe Brucker
2018-09-24 12:07       ` Jean-Philippe Brucker
2018-09-26 18:01       ` Jacob Pan
2018-09-26 18:01         ` Jacob Pan
2018-09-27 15:06         ` Jean-Philippe Brucker [this message]
2018-09-27 15:06           ` Jean-Philippe Brucker
2018-09-28  1:14           ` Tian, Kevin
2018-09-28  1:14             ` Tian, Kevin
2018-09-20 17:00 ` [PATCH v3 03/10] iommu/sva: Manage process address spaces Jean-Philippe Brucker
2018-09-20 17:00   ` Jean-Philippe Brucker
2018-09-25  3:15   ` Lu Baolu
2018-09-25  3:15     ` Lu Baolu
2018-09-25 10:32     ` Jean-Philippe Brucker
2018-09-25 10:32       ` Jean-Philippe Brucker
2018-09-26  3:12       ` Lu Baolu
2018-09-26  3:12         ` Lu Baolu
2018-09-25 13:26     ` Joerg Roedel
2018-09-25 13:26       ` Joerg Roedel
2018-09-25 23:33       ` Lu Baolu
2018-09-25 23:33         ` Lu Baolu
2018-09-26 10:20         ` Jean-Philippe Brucker
2018-09-26 10:20           ` Jean-Philippe Brucker
2018-09-26 12:45           ` Joerg Roedel
2018-09-26 12:45             ` Joerg Roedel
2018-09-26 13:50             ` Jean-Philippe Brucker
2018-09-26 13:50               ` Jean-Philippe Brucker
2018-09-27  3:22               ` Liu, Yi L
2018-09-27  3:22                 ` Liu, Yi L
2018-09-27 13:37                 ` Jean-Philippe Brucker
2018-09-27 13:37                   ` Jean-Philippe Brucker
2018-10-08  8:29                   ` Liu, Yi L
2018-10-08  8:29                     ` Liu, Yi L
2018-09-26 22:58             ` Jacob Pan
2018-09-26 22:58               ` Jacob Pan
2018-09-26 22:35   ` Jacob Pan
2018-09-26 22:35     ` Jacob Pan
2018-10-03 17:52     ` Jean-Philippe Brucker
2018-10-03 17:52       ` Jean-Philippe Brucker
2018-10-15 20:53       ` Jacob Pan
2018-10-15 20:53         ` Jacob Pan
2018-09-20 17:00 ` [PATCH v3 04/10] iommu/sva: Add a mm_exit callback for device drivers Jean-Philippe Brucker
2018-09-20 17:00   ` Jean-Philippe Brucker
2018-09-20 17:00 ` [PATCH v3 05/10] iommu/sva: Track mm changes with an MMU notifier Jean-Philippe Brucker
2018-09-20 17:00   ` Jean-Philippe Brucker
2018-09-20 17:00 ` [PATCH v3 06/10] iommu/sva: Search mm by PASID Jean-Philippe Brucker
2018-09-20 17:00   ` Jean-Philippe Brucker
2018-09-25  4:59   ` Lu Baolu
2018-09-25  4:59     ` Lu Baolu
2018-09-20 17:00 ` [PATCH v3 07/10] iommu: Add a page fault handler Jean-Philippe Brucker
2018-09-20 17:00   ` Jean-Philippe Brucker
2018-09-27 20:37   ` Jacob Pan
2018-09-27 20:37     ` Jacob Pan
2018-10-03 17:46     ` Jean-Philippe Brucker
2018-10-03 17:46       ` Jean-Philippe Brucker
2018-09-20 17:00 ` [PATCH v3 08/10] iommu/iopf: Handle mm faults Jean-Philippe Brucker
2018-09-20 17:00   ` Jean-Philippe Brucker
2018-09-20 17:00 ` [PATCH v3 09/10] iommu/sva: Register page fault handler Jean-Philippe Brucker
2018-09-20 17:00   ` Jean-Philippe Brucker
2018-09-20 17:00 ` [RFC PATCH v3 10/10] iommu/sva: Add support for private PASIDs Jean-Philippe Brucker
2018-09-20 17:00   ` Jean-Philippe Brucker
2018-10-12 14:32   ` Jordan Crouse
2018-10-12 14:32     ` Jordan Crouse
2018-10-17 14:21     ` Jean-Philippe Brucker
2018-10-17 14:21       ` Jean-Philippe Brucker
2018-10-17 14:24       ` Jean-Philippe Brucker
2018-10-17 14:24         ` Jean-Philippe Brucker
2018-10-17 15:07       ` Jordan Crouse
2018-10-17 15:07         ` Jordan Crouse

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