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From: Nadav Amit <nadav.amit@gmail.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Andi Kleen <ak@linux.intel.com>,
	Adrian Hunter <adrian.hunter@intel.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
	Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@redhat.com>,
	Edward Cree <ecree@solarflare.com>,
	"H . Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, X86 ML <x86@kernel.org>,
	Paolo Abeni <pabeni@redhat.com>, Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	David Woodhouse <dwmw@amazon.co.uk>,
	Alexander Shishkin <alexander.shishkin@linux.intel.com>,
	songliubraving@fb.com
Subject: Re: [RFC v2 0/6] x86: dynamic indirect branch promotion
Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2019 12:47:42 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <7EB5F9ED-8743-4225-BE97-8D5C8D8E0F84@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190108190104.GC1900@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net>

> On Jan 8, 2019, at 11:01 AM, Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> wrote:
> 
> On Tue, Jan 08, 2019 at 10:28:02AM -0800, Nadav Amit wrote:
>> Is it really that important for debugging to get the instructions at the
>> time of execution? Wouldn’t it be easier to annotate the instructions that
>> might change? After all, it is not as if any instruction can change to any
>> other instruction.
> 
> I think PT has a bitstream encoding of branch-taken; to decode and
> follow the actual code-flow you then need to have the actual and
> accurate branch target from the code. If we go muck about with the code
> and change that, decoding gets somewhat 'tricky'.
> 
> Or something along those lines..

Thanks for the explanation (I now see it in the SDM and sources).

Basically, the updates should not be done too frequently, and I can expose
an interface to suspend them (this will not affect correctness). I think
this can be the easiest solution, which should not affect the workload
execution too much.

A general solution is more complicated, however, due to the racy nature of
cross-modifying code. There would need to be TSC recording of the time
before the modifications start and after they are done.

BTW: I am not sure that static-keys are much better. Their change also
affects the control flow, and they do affect the control flow.


  reply	other threads:[~2019-01-08 20:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-12-31  7:21 [RFC v2 0/6] x86: dynamic indirect branch promotion Nadav Amit
2018-12-31  7:21 ` [RFC v2 1/6] x86: introduce kernel restartable sequence Nadav Amit
2018-12-31 20:08   ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-12-31 21:12     ` Nadav Amit
2019-01-03 22:21   ` Andi Kleen
2019-01-03 22:29     ` Nadav Amit
2019-01-03 22:48       ` Andi Kleen
2019-01-03 22:52         ` Nadav Amit
2019-01-03 23:40           ` Andi Kleen
2019-01-03 23:56             ` Nadav Amit
2019-01-04  0:34   ` hpa
2018-12-31  7:21 ` [RFC v2 2/6] objtool: ignore instructions Nadav Amit
2018-12-31  7:21 ` [RFC v2 3/6] x86: patch indirect branch promotion Nadav Amit
2018-12-31  7:21 ` [RFC v2 4/6] x86: interface for accessing indirect branch locations Nadav Amit
2018-12-31  7:21 ` [RFC v2 5/6] x86: learning and patching indirect branch targets Nadav Amit
2018-12-31 20:05   ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-12-31 21:07     ` Nadav Amit
2018-12-31  7:21 ` [RFC v2 6/6] x86: outline optpoline Nadav Amit
2018-12-31 19:51 ` [RFC v2 0/6] x86: dynamic indirect branch promotion Andy Lutomirski
2018-12-31 19:53   ` Nadav Amit
2019-01-03 18:10     ` Josh Poimboeuf
2019-01-03 18:30       ` Nadav Amit
2019-01-03 20:31         ` Josh Poimboeuf
2019-01-03 22:18 ` Andi Kleen
2019-01-07 16:32   ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-01-08  7:47     ` Adrian Hunter
2019-01-08  9:25       ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-01-08 10:01         ` Adrian Hunter
2019-01-08 10:10           ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-01-08 17:27             ` Andi Kleen
2019-01-08 18:28               ` Nadav Amit
2019-01-08 19:01                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-01-08 20:47                   ` Nadav Amit [this message]
2019-01-08 20:53                     ` Andi Kleen
2019-01-09 10:35                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-08-29  8:23                       ` Tracing text poke / kernel self-modifying code (Was: Re: [RFC v2 0/6] x86: dynamic indirect branch promotion) Adrian Hunter
2019-08-29  8:53                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-08-29  9:40                           ` Adrian Hunter
2019-08-29 11:46                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-09-12  7:00                               ` Adrian Hunter
2019-09-12 12:17                                 ` hpa
2019-01-08 18:57               ` [RFC v2 0/6] x86: dynamic indirect branch promotion Peter Zijlstra

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