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From: Max Reitz <mreitz@redhat.com>
To: Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy <vsementsov@virtuozzo.com>,
	"qemu-block@nongnu.org" <qemu-block@nongnu.org>
Cc: Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>,
	"qemu-devel@nongnu.org" <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v4 02/11] block: Filtered children access functions
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2019 17:23:07 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <7c0c0a26-a76f-97bd-e463-0bb1d09dc441@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3af8ea71-0149-0778-7b29-59b122c96d8e@virtuozzo.com>

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On 18.04.19 10:36, Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy wrote:
> 17.04.2019 19:22, Max Reitz wrote:
>> On 16.04.19 12:02, Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy wrote:
>>> 10.04.2019 23:20, Max Reitz wrote:
>>>> What bs->file and bs->backing mean depends on the node.  For filter
>>>> nodes, both signify a node that will eventually receive all R/W
>>>> accesses.  For format nodes, bs->file contains metadata and data, and
>>>> bs->backing will not receive writes -- instead, writes are COWed to
>>>> bs->file.  Usually.
>>>>
>>>> In any case, it is not trivial to guess what a child means exactly with
>>>> our currently limited form of expression.  It is better to introduce
>>>> some functions that actually guarantee a meaning:
>>>>
>>>> - bdrv_filtered_cow_child() will return the child that receives requests
>>>>     filtered through COW.  That is, reads may or may not be forwarded
>>>>     (depending on the overlay's allocation status), but writes never go to
>>>>     this child.
>>>>
>>>> - bdrv_filtered_rw_child() will return the child that receives requests
>>>>     filtered through some very plain process.  Reads and writes issued to
>>>>     the parent will go to the child as well (although timing, etc. may be
>>>>     modified).
>>>>
>>>> - All drivers but quorum (but quorum is pretty opaque to the general
>>>>     block layer anyway) always only have one of these children: All read
>>>>     requests must be served from the filtered_rw_child (if it exists), so
>>>>     if there was a filtered_cow_child in addition, it would not receive
>>>>     any requests at all.
>>>>     (The closest here is mirror, where all requests are passed on to the
>>>>     source, but with write-blocking, write requests are "COWed" to the
>>>>     target.  But that just means that the target is a special child that
>>>>     cannot be introspected by the generic block layer functions, and that
>>>>     source is a filtered_rw_child.)
>>>>     Therefore, we can also add bdrv_filtered_child() which returns that
>>>>     one child (or NULL, if there is no filtered child).
>>>>
>>>> Also, many places in the current block layer should be skipping filters
>>>> (all filters or just the ones added implicitly, it depends) when going
>>>> through a block node chain.  They do not do that currently, but this
>>>> patch makes them.
>>>>
>>>> One example for this is qemu-img map, which should skip filters and only
>>>> look at the COW elements in the graph.  The change to iotest 204's
>>>> reference output shows how using blkdebug on top of a COW node used to
>>>> make qemu-img map disregard the rest of the backing chain, but with this
>>>> patch, the allocation in the base image is reported correctly.
>>>>
>>>> Furthermore, a note should be made that sometimes we do want to access
>>>> bs->backing directly.  This is whenever the operation in question is not
>>>> about accessing the COW child, but the "backing" child, be it COW or
>>>> not.  This is the case in functions such as bdrv_open_backing_file() or
>>>> whenever we have to deal with the special behavior of @backing as a
>>>> blockdev option, which is that it does not default to null like all
>>>> other child references do.
>>>>
>>>> Finally, the query functions (query-block and query-named-block-nodes)
>>>> are modified to return any filtered child under "backing", not just
>>>> bs->backing or COW children.  This is so that filters do not interrupt
>>>> the reported backing chain.  This changes the output of iotest 184, as
>>>> the throttled node now appears as a backing child.
>>>>
>>>> Signed-off-by: Max Reitz <mreitz@redhat.com>
>>>> ---
>>>>    qapi/block-core.json           |   4 +
>>>>    include/block/block.h          |   1 +
>>>>    include/block/block_int.h      |  40 +++++--
>>>>    block.c                        | 210 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++------
>>>>    block/backup.c                 |   8 +-
>>>>    block/block-backend.c          |  16 ++-
>>>>    block/commit.c                 |  33 +++---
>>>>    block/io.c                     |  45 ++++---
>>>>    block/mirror.c                 |  21 ++--
>>>>    block/qapi.c                   |  30 +++--
>>>>    block/stream.c                 |  13 +-
>>>>    blockdev.c                     |  88 +++++++++++---
>>>>    migration/block-dirty-bitmap.c |   4 +-
>>>>    nbd/server.c                   |   6 +-
>>>>    qemu-img.c                     |  29 ++---
>>>>    tests/qemu-iotests/184.out     |   7 +-
>>>>    tests/qemu-iotests/204.out     |   1 +
>>>>    17 files changed, 411 insertions(+), 145 deletions(-)
>>>
>>> really huge... didn't you consider conversion file-by-file?
>>
>> Frankly, no, I just didn’t consider it.
>>
>> Hm.  I don’t know, 30-patch series always look so frightening.
>>
>>>> diff --git a/block.c b/block.c
>>>> index 16615bc876..e8f6febda0 100644
>>>> --- a/block.c
>>>> +++ b/block.c
>>>
>>> [..]
>>>
>>>>    
>>>> @@ -3467,14 +3469,17 @@ static int bdrv_reopen_parse_backing(BDRVReopenState *reopen_state,
>>>>        /*
>>>>         * Find the "actual" backing file by skipping all links that point
>>>>         * to an implicit node, if any (e.g. a commit filter node).
>>>> +     * We cannot use any of the bdrv_skip_*() functions here because
>>>> +     * those return the first explicit node, while we are looking for
>>>> +     * its overlay here.
>>>>         */
>>>>        overlay_bs = bs;
>>>> -    while (backing_bs(overlay_bs) && backing_bs(overlay_bs)->implicit) {
>>>> -        overlay_bs = backing_bs(overlay_bs);
>>>> +    while (overlay_bs->backing && bdrv_filtered_bs(overlay_bs)->implicit) {
>>>
>>> So, you don't want to skip implicit filters with 'file' child? Then, why not to use
>>> child_bs(overlay_bs->backing), like in following if condition?
>>
>> I think it was an artifact of writing the patch.  I started with
>> bdrv_filtered_bs() and then realized this depends on ->backing,
>> actually.  There was no functional difference so I left it as it was.
>>
>> But you’re right, it is more clear to use child_bs(overlay_bs->backing)
>> isntead.
>>
>>> Could we instead make backing-based filters equal to file-based, to make it possible
>>> to use file-based filters in backing-chain related scenarios (like upcoming copy-on-read
>>> filter for stream)? So, to expand backing-chain concept to include filters with file child?
>>
>> If I understand you correctly, that’s basically the purpose of this
>> series and especially this patch here.  As far as it is possible and
>> reasonable, I want filters that use bs->backing and bs->file behave the
>> same.
>>
>> However, there are cases where this is not possible and
>> bdrv_reopen_parse_backing() is one such case.  bs->backing and bs->file
>> correspond to QAPI names, namely 'backing' and 'file'.  If that
>> distinction was already visible to the user, we cannot change it now.
>>
>> We definitely cannot make file-based filters use bs->backing now because
>> you can create them over QAPI and they use 'file' as their child name.
>> Can we make backing-based filters use bs->file?  Seems more likely,
>> because all of them are implicit nodes, so the user usually doesn’t see
>> them.  But usually isn’t always; they do become user-visible once the
>> user specifies a node-name for mirror or commit.
>>
>> I found it more reasonable to introduce new functions that explicitly
>> express what kind of child they expect and then apply them everywhere as
>> I saw fit, instead of making the mirror/commit filter drivers use
>> bs->file and hope it works; not least because I’d still have to go
>> through the whole block layer and check every instance of bs->backing to
>> see whether it really needs bs->backing or whether it should use either
>> of bs->backing or bs->file.
>>
>>>> +        overlay_bs = bdrv_filtered_bs(overlay_bs);
>>>>        }
>>>>    
>>>>        /* If we want to replace the backing file we need some extra checks */
>>>> -    if (new_backing_bs != backing_bs(overlay_bs)) {
>>>> +    if (new_backing_bs != child_bs(overlay_bs->backing)) { >           /* Check for implicit nodes between bs and its backing file */
>>>>            if (bs != overlay_bs) {
>>>>                error_setg(errp, "Cannot change backing link if '%s' has "
>>>
>>> [..]
>>>
>>>> @@ -4203,8 +4208,8 @@ int bdrv_change_backing_file(BlockDriverState *bs,
>>>>    BlockDriverState *bdrv_find_overlay(BlockDriverState *active,
>>>>                                        BlockDriverState *bs)
>>>>    {
>>>> -    while (active && bs != backing_bs(active)) {
>>>> -        active = backing_bs(active);
>>>> +    while (active && bs != bdrv_filtered_bs(active)) {
>>>
>>> hmm and here you actually support backing-chain with file-child-based filters in it..
>>
>> Yes, because this is not about the QAPI 'backing' link.  This function
>> should continue to work even if there are filters in the backing chain.
>>
>>>> +        active = bdrv_filtered_bs(active);
>>>>        }
>>>>    
>>>>        return active;
>>>> @@ -4226,11 +4231,11 @@ bool bdrv_is_backing_chain_frozen(BlockDriverState *bs, BlockDriverState *base,
>>>>    {
>>>>        BlockDriverState *i;
>>>>    
>>>> -    for (i = bs; i != base; i = backing_bs(i)) {
>>>> +    for (i = bs; i != base; i = child_bs(i->backing)) {
>>>
>>> and here don't..
>>
>> Yes, because this function is about the QAPI 'backing' link.
> 
> Why? What is bad if we just treat backing and file child equally for filters? Some
> scenarios will start to work which didn't, but neither should be damaged I think..

So you mean use bdrv_filtered_bs() everywhere?

> I mean, if we declare for users that "backing chain" may include file child of
> filter nodes, what will break?

Hm, let me try to answer for this case here, and maybe move other cases
to your other mail.

bdrv_is_backing_chain_frozen() is called by:
- bdrv_set_backing_hd()
- bdrv_reopen_parse_backing()
- bdrv_freeze_backing_chain()

Disregarding the last one, these are functions that specifically handle
the 'backing' child (as it is visible to the user through
query-named-block-nodes etc.) -- more on that in reply to your other mail.

Well, it doesn’t matter for bdrv_set_backing_hd(), because this one
specifically uses bs->backing->bs as the @base.  Same for
bdrv_reopen_parse_backing().

OK, so I can’t disregard the last one because it is the only relevant
caller where child_bs(i->backing) vs. bdrv_filtered_bs(i) makes a
difference.  So the actual question is whether
bdrv_freeze_backing_chain() should include non-'backing' children, and I
think it should indeed.  It's used by the block jobs which are supposed
to support filters in the backing chain, so bdrv_freeze_backing_chain()
should walk through filters (and freeze their links).  Consequentially,
bdrv_is_backing_chain_frozen() has to do the same.

So you’re right, in this case, we should use bdrv_filtered_bs(i) and not
child_bs(i->backing).  But I still think there are cases where we
continue to have to use child_bs(i->backing); see the other mail I still
have to write.  (Maybe while writing it I come to the conclusion that I
was just completely wrong.  Who knows.)

Max


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  reply	other threads:[~2019-04-24 15:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 48+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-04-10 20:20 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v4 00/11] block: Deal with filters Max Reitz
2019-04-10 20:20 ` Max Reitz
2019-04-10 20:20 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v4 01/11] block: Mark commit and mirror as filter drivers Max Reitz
2019-04-10 20:20   ` Max Reitz
2019-04-10 20:20 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v4 02/11] block: Filtered children access functions Max Reitz
2019-04-10 20:20   ` Max Reitz
2019-04-16 10:02   ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2019-04-17 16:22     ` Max Reitz
2019-04-18  8:36       ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2019-04-24 15:23         ` Max Reitz [this message]
2019-04-19 10:23       ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2019-04-24 16:36         ` Max Reitz
2019-05-07  9:32           ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2019-05-07 13:15             ` Max Reitz
2019-05-07 13:33               ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2019-05-31 16:26     ` Max Reitz
2019-05-31 17:02       ` Max Reitz
2019-05-07 13:30   ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2019-05-07 15:13     ` Max Reitz
2019-05-17 11:50       ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2019-05-23 14:49         ` Max Reitz
2019-05-23 15:08           ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2019-05-23 15:56             ` Max Reitz
2019-05-17 14:50   ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2019-05-23 17:27     ` Max Reitz
2019-05-24  8:12       ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2019-04-10 20:20 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v4 03/11] block: Storage child access function Max Reitz
2019-04-10 20:20   ` Max Reitz
2019-05-20 10:41   ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2019-05-28 18:09     ` Max Reitz
2019-04-10 20:20 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v4 04/11] block: Inline bdrv_co_block_status_from_*() Max Reitz
2019-04-10 20:20   ` Max Reitz
2019-05-21  8:57   ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2019-05-28 17:58     ` Max Reitz
2019-04-10 20:20 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v4 05/11] block: Fix check_to_replace_node() Max Reitz
2019-04-10 20:20   ` Max Reitz
2019-04-10 20:20 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v4 06/11] iotests: Add tests for mirror @replaces loops Max Reitz
2019-04-10 20:20   ` Max Reitz
2019-04-10 20:20 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v4 07/11] block: Leave BDS.backing_file constant Max Reitz
2019-04-10 20:20   ` Max Reitz
2019-04-10 20:20 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v4 08/11] iotests: Add filter commit test cases Max Reitz
2019-04-10 20:20   ` Max Reitz
2019-04-10 20:20 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v4 09/11] iotests: Add filter mirror " Max Reitz
2019-04-10 20:20   ` Max Reitz
2019-04-10 20:20 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v4 10/11] iotests: Add test for commit in sub directory Max Reitz
2019-04-10 20:20   ` Max Reitz
2019-04-10 20:20 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v4 11/11] iotests: Test committing to overridden backing Max Reitz
2019-04-10 20:20   ` Max Reitz

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