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From: Andrew Cooper <Andrew.Cooper3@citrix.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>, Borislav Petkov <bp@suse.de>
Cc: Thadeu Lima de Souza Cascardo <cascardo@canonical.com>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-efi@vger.kernel.org" <linux-efi@vger.kernel.org>,
	"x86@kernel.org" <x86@kernel.org>,
	"ardb@kernel.org" <ardb@kernel.org>,
	"tglx@linutronix.de" <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	"gregkh@linuxfoundation.org" <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	"torvalds@linux-foundation.org" <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Guenter Roeck <linux@roeck-us.net>,
	Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@kernel.org>,
	"stable@vger.kernel.org" <stable@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] efi/x86: use naked RET on mixed mode call wrapper
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2022 17:19:14 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <7c23621b-66fc-eb35-c329-bb947798016a@citrix.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <YtWMiyem8+N4vbKE@worktop.programming.kicks-ass.net>

On 18/07/2022 17:38, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 18, 2022 at 06:28:27PM +0200, Borislav Petkov wrote:
>> On Mon, Jul 18, 2022 at 01:41:37PM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
>>> diff --git a/arch/x86/include/asm/nospec-branch.h b/arch/x86/include/asm/nospec-branch.h
>>> index 10a3bfc1eb23..f934dcdb7c0d 100644
>>> --- a/arch/x86/include/asm/nospec-branch.h
>>> +++ b/arch/x86/include/asm/nospec-branch.h
>>> @@ -297,6 +297,8 @@ do {									\
>>>  	alternative_msr_write(MSR_IA32_SPEC_CTRL,			\
>>>  			      spec_ctrl_current() | SPEC_CTRL_IBRS,	\
>>>  			      X86_FEATURE_USE_IBRS_FW);			\
>>> +	altnerative_msr_write(MSR_IA32_PRED_CMD, PRED_CMD_IBPB,		\
>>> +			      X86_FEATURE_USE_IBPB_FW);			\
>>>  } while (0)
>> So I'm being told we need to untrain on return from EFI to protect the
>> kernel from it. Ontop of yours.
> I don't think there's any credible way we can protect against EFI taking
> over the system if it wants to. It runs at CPL0 and has access to the
> direct map. If EFI wants it can take over the system without trying.

I don't think an untrain is needed either.  EFI RS can do anything it
wants, architecturally speaking, so the only threat is it acting as a
confused deputy.

The IBPB on the way in mitigates any BTC attacks against EFI-RS.

The "safe" BTB entry can be evicted due to competition or an alias, both
in kernel code or EFI code, but neither of these contexts will be
deliberately creating a malicious entry.

~Andrew

  reply	other threads:[~2022-07-18 17:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-07-15 19:45 [PATCH] efi/x86: use naked RET on mixed mode call wrapper Thadeu Lima de Souza Cascardo
2022-07-15 22:51 ` Guenter Roeck
2022-07-18 11:41 ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-07-18 13:59   ` Thadeu Lima de Souza Cascardo
2022-07-18 16:10     ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-07-18 16:28   ` Borislav Petkov
2022-07-18 16:38     ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-07-18 17:19       ` Andrew Cooper [this message]
2022-07-18 18:34     ` Linus Torvalds
2022-07-18 18:46       ` Borislav Petkov
2022-07-19 15:22         ` Ard Biesheuvel
2022-07-19 17:37           ` Borislav Petkov
2022-07-19 19:45 ` [tip: x86/urgent] x86/amd: Use IBPB for firmware calls tip-bot2 for Peter Zijlstra

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