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From: "Koenig, Christian" <Christian.Koenig-5C7GfCeVMHo@public.gmane.org>
To: Emil Velikov <emil.l.velikov-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
Cc: "Deucher,
	Alexander" <Alexander.Deucher-5C7GfCeVMHo@public.gmane.org>,
	David Airlie <airlied-cv59FeDIM0c@public.gmane.org>,
	"amd-gfx-PD4FTy7X32lNgt0PjOBp9y5qC8QIuHrW@public.gmane.org"
	<amd-gfx-PD4FTy7X32lNgt0PjOBp9y5qC8QIuHrW@public.gmane.org>,
	"dri-devel-PD4FTy7X32lNgt0PjOBp9y5qC8QIuHrW@public.gmane.org"
	<dri-devel-PD4FTy7X32lNgt0PjOBp9y5qC8QIuHrW@public.gmane.org>,
	Daniel Vetter <daniel-/w4YWyX8dFk@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 01/13] drm/amdgpu: introduce and honour DRM_FORCE_AUTH workaround
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2019 13:00:17 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <7d6f5ea5-bf36-3a68-ef1e-2d1b5d12178e@amd.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190621124751.GE21486@arch-x1c3>

Am 21.06.19 um 14:47 schrieb Emil Velikov:
> On 2019/06/21, Koenig, Christian wrote:
>> Am 21.06.19 um 13:58 schrieb Emil Velikov:
>>> On 2019/06/21, Koenig, Christian wrote:
>>>> Am 21.06.19 um 12:53 schrieb Emil Velikov:
>>>>> On 2019/06/21, Koenig, Christian wrote:
>>>>>> [SNIP]
>>>>>> Well partially. That RADV broke is unfortunate, but we have done so many
>>>>>> customized userspace stuff both based on Mesa/DDX as well as closed
>>>>>> source components that it is just highly likely that we would break
>>>>>> something else as well.
>>>>>>
>>>>> As an engineer I like to work with tangibles. The highly likely part is
>>>>> probable, but as mentioned multiple times the series allows for a _dead_
>>>>> trivial way to address any such problems.
>>>> Well to clarify my concern is that this won't be so trivial.
>>>>
>>>> You implemented on workaround for one specific case and it is perfectly
>>>> possible that for other cases we would have to completely revert the
>>>> removal of DRM_AUTH.
>>>>
>>> I would encourage you to take a closer look at my patch and point out
>>> how parcicular cases cannot be handled.
>> Well the last time I looked it only blocked the first call to the IOCTL.
>>
> Hmm interesting, you're replied to my patch without even reading it :'-(

Well I've NAKed the series because of the exposure of the render node 
functionality

> Can you please give it a close look and reply inline?
>
> [1] https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/dri-devel/2019-May/219238.html

So the workaround no longer just blocks the first IOCTL.

But then the question is why don't you just keep the DRM_AUTH flag 
instead of adding the same functionality with a new one?

>>>   From your experiense, do user-space developers care about doing (or
>>> generally do) the right thing?
>> No, not at all. Except for Marek and Michel they just take what works
>> and even Marek is often short-cutting on this.
>>
> Interesting, guess I should have asked this question from the start.

Well sounds like you don't have to work with a closed source driver 
team. But as I said I honestly would do the same as user space developer.

I mean it's really a bunch of more code to maintain, and getting rid of 
code is always less work in the long term then keeping it.

That kernel developers scream: No no, please don't do that we want to 
keep using it is completely irrelevant for this.

Christian.

>
> Thanks
> Emil

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Thread overview: 104+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-05-27  8:17 [PATCH 01/13] drm/amdgpu: introduce and honour DRM_FORCE_AUTH workaround Emil Velikov
2019-05-27  8:17 ` [PATCH 03/13] drm/etnaviv: drop DRM_AUTH usage from the driver Emil Velikov
2019-06-06 10:57   ` Emil Velikov
2019-06-06 11:15     ` Christian Gmeiner
2019-05-27  8:17 ` [PATCH 04/13] drm/exynos: drop DRM_AUTH from DRM_RENDER_ALLOW ioctls Emil Velikov
2019-05-27 10:02   ` Inki Dae
2019-05-27  8:17 ` [PATCH 05/13] drm/i915: " Emil Velikov
2019-05-27  8:39   ` Jani Nikula
2019-05-27 11:57     ` Emil Velikov
2019-05-27  8:17 ` [PATCH 06/13] drm/lima: drop DRM_AUTH usage from the driver Emil Velikov
2019-06-06 10:58   ` Emil Velikov
2019-06-10  0:56     ` Qiang Yu
2019-05-27  8:17 ` [PATCH 09/13] drm/omap: drop DRM_AUTH from DRM_RENDER_ALLOW ioctls Emil Velikov
2019-06-06 10:58   ` Emil Velikov
2019-06-06 14:45     ` Tomi Valkeinen
     [not found] ` <20190527081741.14235-1-emil.l.velikov-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2019-05-27  8:17   ` [PATCH 02/13] drm/amdgpu: drop DRM_AUTH usage from the driver Emil Velikov
2019-05-27  8:17   ` [PATCH 07/13] drm/msm: " Emil Velikov
     [not found]     ` <20190527081741.14235-7-emil.l.velikov-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2019-06-06 10:58       ` Emil Velikov
2019-08-06  9:43       ` Emil Velikov
2019-05-27  8:17   ` [PATCH 08/13] drm/nouveau: drop DRM_AUTH from DRM_RENDER_ALLOW ioctls Emil Velikov
2019-06-06 10:58     ` Emil Velikov
     [not found]       ` <CACvgo53skE1TpixEDBxmfAgFouJD66351fkcx40zR3vgF41c1Q-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2019-06-07  0:24         ` Ben Skeggs
2019-05-27  8:17   ` [PATCH 10/13] drm/radeon: " Emil Velikov
2019-05-27 10:47   ` [PATCH 01/13] drm/amdgpu: introduce and honour DRM_FORCE_AUTH workaround Koenig, Christian
     [not found]     ` <3c9b5688-5e83-f173-00e3-6e139e05d466-5C7GfCeVMHo@public.gmane.org>
2019-05-27 12:05       ` Emil Velikov
2019-05-27 12:20         ` Koenig, Christian
2019-05-27 12:52           ` Emil Velikov
2019-05-27 13:26             ` Daniel Vetter
2019-05-27 13:34               ` Daniel Vetter
2019-05-27 13:20     ` Daniel Vetter
     [not found]       ` <20190527132041.GP21222-dv86pmgwkMBes7Z6vYuT8azUEOm+Xw19@public.gmane.org>
2019-05-27 13:26         ` Emil Velikov
2019-05-27 13:42           ` Koenig, Christian
     [not found]             ` <0426fb3e-e7bc-2464-cb42-4d5753956d23-5C7GfCeVMHo@public.gmane.org>
2019-05-27 15:26               ` Daniel Vetter
     [not found]                 ` <CAKMK7uE_pRro8PxTwUq+pC_1GVVT7nUxan1T-kqSYT=BMHTf2g-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2019-05-28  6:58                   ` Koenig, Christian
     [not found]                     ` <d12a7dd4-595b-d0aa-a87d-527392fb0384-5C7GfCeVMHo@public.gmane.org>
2019-05-28  7:38                       ` Daniel Vetter
     [not found]                         ` <CAKMK7uE1ZWjCeg3q7qDrbcj89+DuPQwfjMqC8hTjDAMU5bhh-w-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2019-05-28  8:03                           ` Koenig, Christian
     [not found]                             ` <98c3d891-6966-2043-9709-4e718dbc6bac-5C7GfCeVMHo@public.gmane.org>
2019-05-28  8:18                               ` Daniel Vetter
     [not found]                                 ` <CAKMK7uGsc7WzBBrfxape4Yy7fbKoDFH5J2F87Kx=7rE1+pXcXw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2019-05-28 16:10                                   ` Emil Velikov
2019-05-28 16:22                                     ` Koenig, Christian
2019-05-28 16:46                                       ` Emil Velikov
2019-05-28 20:05                                         ` Dave Airlie
     [not found]                                           ` <CAPM=9tzuQX4iQU=w4QfbE1ryq6sXc4k5SVh6V1_4AyH_O+D_oA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2019-05-29 13:03                                             ` Emil Velikov
2019-05-29 13:14                                               ` Koenig, Christian
2019-05-29 16:29                                                 ` Emil Velikov
2019-05-31 12:20                                                   ` Koenig, Christian
2019-06-04 17:59                                                     ` Emil Velikov
2019-06-04 10:50                               ` Michel Dänzer
     [not found]                                 ` <ee1b8980-3d78-aa6d-fe46-2c0d45c2bbdd-otUistvHUpPR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
2019-06-04 11:24                                   ` Koenig, Christian
2019-06-04 13:28                                     ` Daniel Vetter
2019-05-27 15:32               ` Emil Velikov
2019-05-27 13:11   ` Daniel Vetter
     [not found]     ` <20190527131143.GN21222-dv86pmgwkMBes7Z6vYuT8azUEOm+Xw19@public.gmane.org>
2019-05-27 13:47       ` Emil Velikov
2019-05-27  8:17 ` [PATCH 11/13] drm/vgem: drop DRM_AUTH usage from the driver Emil Velikov
2019-06-06 10:59   ` Emil Velikov
2019-08-06  9:44   ` Emil Velikov
2019-05-27  8:17 ` [PATCH 12/13] drm/virtio: " Emil Velikov
2019-05-27  8:17   ` Emil Velikov
2019-06-06 10:59   ` Emil Velikov
2019-06-06 10:59   ` Emil Velikov
2019-06-13  7:00     ` Gerd Hoffmann
2019-06-13  7:00     ` Gerd Hoffmann
2019-05-27  8:17 ` [PATCH 13/13] drm: allow render capable master with DRM_AUTH ioctls Emil Velikov
2019-05-27 11:56   ` Christian König
2019-05-27 12:10     ` Emil Velikov
2019-05-27 12:25       ` Koenig, Christian
2019-05-27 12:39   ` Thomas Hellstrom
2019-05-27 12:54     ` Emil Velikov
2019-05-27 13:16     ` Daniel Vetter
2019-05-27 14:01       ` Thomas Hellstrom
2019-05-27 15:22         ` Daniel Vetter
2019-06-14 12:09 ` [PATCH 01/13] drm/amdgpu: introduce and honour DRM_FORCE_AUTH workaround Emil Velikov
2019-06-14 12:55   ` Koenig, Christian
     [not found]     ` <9dbdda6c-8916-e5ae-1676-86828b9890e7-5C7GfCeVMHo@public.gmane.org>
2019-06-14 14:16       ` Michel Dänzer
2019-06-14 15:53       ` Emil Velikov
2019-06-14 16:00         ` Koenig, Christian
     [not found]           ` <84b3337c-0cdc-44d4-02c6-c56bd729ed47-5C7GfCeVMHo@public.gmane.org>
2019-06-14 16:25             ` Emil Velikov
2019-06-20 16:30           ` Emil Velikov
2019-06-21  7:12             ` Koenig, Christian
     [not found]               ` <9cad6e74-4751-0b0a-35d1-e8f0ac4d3efc-5C7GfCeVMHo@public.gmane.org>
2019-06-21  7:41                 ` Michel Dänzer
2019-06-21  8:23                   ` Koenig, Christian
2019-06-21  9:09               ` Daniel Vetter
2019-06-21  9:25                 ` Koenig, Christian
     [not found]                   ` <be9f38f5-6bb5-9535-f3d9-bafa83370e0f-5C7GfCeVMHo@public.gmane.org>
2019-06-21  9:35                     ` Daniel Vetter
     [not found]                       ` <CAKMK7uE5qO4q3RYNDp22gkMSSJGgz9ChxhuWPYqXO6D1UUvy6Q-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2019-06-21 10:16                         ` Christian König
2019-06-21 10:20                       ` Emil Velikov
2019-06-21 10:31                         ` Koenig, Christian
     [not found]                           ` <d241fab3-b6f0-d38a-b83f-03b70736b355-5C7GfCeVMHo@public.gmane.org>
2019-06-21 10:53                             ` Emil Velikov
2019-06-21 11:07                               ` Koenig, Christian
     [not found]                                 ` <338bb519-05f1-cb76-d965-81237f432937-5C7GfCeVMHo@public.gmane.org>
2019-06-21 11:58                                   ` Emil Velikov
2019-06-21 12:13                                     ` Koenig, Christian
     [not found]                                       ` <76158d1f-676d-2afa-244b-934967a9cb75-5C7GfCeVMHo@public.gmane.org>
2019-06-21 12:47                                         ` Emil Velikov
2019-06-21 13:00                                           ` Koenig, Christian [this message]
2019-06-21 15:37                                             ` Daniel Vetter
2019-06-21 15:24                                     ` Michel Dänzer
2019-06-21 11:03                           ` Daniel Vetter
     [not found]                             ` <CAKMK7uEVziNZJES9=JFBUu=LpmubS8=-A654cMN+QqhEmc8Fvw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2019-06-21 11:37                               ` Christian König
     [not found]                                 ` <c92dc683-6815-dc5a-dc2b-54517cc027de-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2019-06-21 11:50                                   ` Daniel Vetter
     [not found]                                     ` <CAKMK7uHsv3HOXOQq=GGRkx6f+ssRg7dO7qEoBqRS9V_KiTN3Hg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2019-06-21 11:59                                       ` Daniel Vetter
     [not found]                                         ` <CAKMK7uG+EUhmZafFmjzSR=eq7543OELbHVaQnZZQGx0APSozwg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2019-06-21 12:01                                           ` Emil Velikov
2019-06-21 15:15                                       ` Michel Dänzer
     [not found]                                         ` <b182c8e3-c060-71f0-2b3b-62600d825c9f-otUistvHUpPR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
2019-06-21 15:44                                           ` Daniel Vetter
2019-06-21 15:52                                             ` Michel Dänzer
     [not found]                                               ` <13024821-4767-eeaf-86eb-9ae1056f8931-otUistvHUpPR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
2019-06-24  9:37                                                 ` Michel Dänzer
     [not found]                                                   ` <b03e8977-c51a-9606-383f-cf4ba674dcdd-otUistvHUpPR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
2019-06-24  9:48                                                     ` Daniel Vetter

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