From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.2 required=3.0 tests=BAYES_00, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,NICE_REPLY_A,SPF_HELO_NONE, SPF_PASS,URIBL_BLOCKED,USER_AGENT_SANE_1 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AC98C433ED for ; Fri, 21 May 2021 14:18:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from gabe.freedesktop.org (gabe.freedesktop.org [131.252.210.177]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1A932613DD for ; Fri, 21 May 2021 14:18:14 +0000 (UTC) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 mail.kernel.org 1A932613DD Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=frost.kiwi Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; spf=none smtp.mailfrom=dri-devel-bounces@lists.freedesktop.org Received: from gabe.freedesktop.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gabe.freedesktop.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7BA46F883; Fri, 21 May 2021 14:18:12 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: delayed 310 seconds by postgrey-1.36 at gabe; Fri, 21 May 2021 14:17:11 UTC Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.17.24]) by gabe.freedesktop.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C6D2B6F881; Fri, 21 May 2021 14:17:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.12] ([77.11.198.35]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue108 [213.165.67.113]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MvJwN-1lS9M53RlB-00rIxt; Fri, 21 May 2021 16:11:56 +0200 Subject: Re: [Mesa-dev] Freenode fallout To: Simon Ser , lyude@redhat.com References: <143980f8802d0f7de8b106037acce649e219f575.camel@redhat.com> From: Wladislav Artsimovich Message-ID: <7eb19738-1a51-930c-b6a2-c83d77168857@frost.kiwi> Date: Fri, 21 May 2021 16:11:58 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.3.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:aH2oj8wynkm5WxFlzuc4tKTxe1/EYUFkoSB2Dycf1k0qsXE7+Zd xcFsAHoNbFCd6SjDEePJ4n1gLt9aaOQsVtF0Ugs8gb7YHO68bX0qLm13f3FE4gPve3++7Qa 3UWsRN708circa2uf6xHLv9dFjxH8fg7QauGlQUW0uUdG09z7RjZSShP1NuSHJY7k8/z9yE AJ0IdfOcdYq4e9vnGc8/g== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:jWuhOCmnTso=:TWpZhJDm0kYY3s9nNYzKGj Hvw4dix30dNPNW1H/si1fmHB03d3DqYKL0sXNvBD+5sgYlO00q4AePQ+FTS0yBBP4yPHmGJzu AF1pGLrclfj+eBIpg/yxpdXsgoiNruzvXlpcdIwnmpWu+jTGmWgRx9W8yDXkQwbh2pTcj1R4s LmMcxky9Mvmc08XYViOKcz4rivGn2fV2vk2CS9vvD3+/tUf+Nr+7KsNsIyv8TFtvaDCau/9yQ 4Zf2UgJftJhRbF2A2SsvbbDD+sz+AnmkKG9ll/QMk5CHfxCho9Kd4hvGjTUn08sWWEXMKHdDw wKG12yDgtQknK2umi9neBotrjU+6q7s8AMjbexjekUdONWVmMFs6fqfi028bqosl+RNdgkcJ9 x2TJOyCDokKGRqwS6Q63krMR/Dh5SbS0ekgVnK0E2yiBr7P5t28NWUfCefgaT7illP7HMQ4TC CksS7k+DmKOZXlY2Jsz1hmP7Z5FMIenLJ7yTBCdeJ0phYdFf/paD17KQQzHvAmK7KXtmAzq6C Cms10A0C+iXccTiqIdjmQk= X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 21 May 2021 14:18:11 +0000 X-BeenThere: dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Direct Rendering Infrastructure - Development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: "mesa-dev@lists.freedesktop.org" , members@x.org, "board@x.org" , xorg-devel , dri-devel Errors-To: dri-devel-bounces@lists.freedesktop.org Sender: "dri-devel" Indeed, a lot of communities are moving to Libera. However, centralization is what caused the mess with freenode in the first place, thus communities spreading to different services may not be such a bad idea. As long as the channels themselves are not split, that is. On 21/05/2021 15:33, Simon Ser wrote: > On Friday, May 21st, 2021 at 1:49 AM, Lyude Paul wrote: > >> After considering Libera and OFTC as options, the board settled on >> recommending OFTC. The primary reason for this is because OFTC is >> associated with our parent foundation SPI, and has a long and well known >> history of involvement with the open source community. As well, the >> board believes OFTC's current Governance model is a lot more clear then >> Libera's. > I'd personally prefer Libera Chat. They don't yet have a published > formal governance model, but I hope this will come soon. As the former > Freenode staff, I trust them to make sure mistakes from the past won't > be repeated. > > Apart from politics, Libera also offers a more modern feature set. This > can ease daily usage, with features such as reliable authentication, > account tracking, and many other IRC protocol improvements. OFTC has > plans to eventually migrate to Solanum, but they don't have the time to > do it for now. > > For reference, on OFTC: > > CAP LS 302 > :kinetic.oftc.net CAP * LS :multi-prefix > > And on Libera: > > CAP LS 302 > :ruthenium.libera.chat CAP * LS :account-notify away-notify chghost extended-join multi-prefix sasl=PLAIN,ECDSA-NIST256P-CHALLENGE,EXTERNAL tls userhost-in-names account-tag cap-notify echo-message solanum.chat/identify-msg solanum.chat/realhost > _______________________________________________ > mesa-dev mailing list > mesa-dev@lists.freedesktop.org > https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/mesa-dev