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From: Andrew Cooper <andrew.cooper3@citrix.com>
To: Jan Beulich <jbeulich@suse.com>
Cc: "Wei Liu" <wl@xen.org>, "Roger Pau Monné" <roger.pau@citrix.com>,
	"xen-devel@lists.xenproject.org" <xen-devel@lists.xenproject.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/4] x86/P2M: relax guarding of MMIO entries
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2021 16:25:35 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <7f56c625-eee6-31c4-2d6f-bd7334867d83@citrix.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <f684e203-9967-8653-d59f-ad11f5070aef@suse.com>

On 31/08/2021 14:26, Jan Beulich wrote:
> On 31.08.2021 15:16, Andrew Cooper wrote:
>> On 30/08/2021 14:02, Jan Beulich wrote:
>>> Further permit "access" to differ in the "executable" attribute. While
>>> ideally only ROM regions would get mapped with X set, getting there is
>>> quite a bit of work. Therefore, as a temporary measure, permit X to
>>> vary. For Dom0 the more permissive of the types will be used, while for
>>> DomU it'll be the more restrictive one.
>> Split behaviour between dom0 and domU based on types alone cannot
>> possibly be correct.
> True, but what do you do.
>
>> DomU's need to execute ROMs too, and this looks like will malfunction if
>> a ROM ends up in the region that HVMLoader relocated RAM from.
>>
>> As this is a temporary bodge emergency bugfix, don't try to be clever -
>> just take the latest access.
> And how do we know that that's what is going to work?

Because it's the pre-existing behaviour.

>  We should
> strictly accumulate for Dom0. And what we do for DomU is moot for
> the moment, until PCI passthrough becomes a thing for PVH. Hence
> I've opted to be restrictive there - I'd rather see things break
> (and getting adjusted) when this future work actually gets carried
> out, than leave things permissive for no-one to notice that it's
> too permissive, leading to an XSA.

Restricting execute permissions is something unique to virt.  It doesn't
exist in a non-virtualised system, as I and D side reads are
indistinguishable outside of the core.

Furthermore, it is inexpressible on some systems/configurations.

Introspection is the only technology which should be restricting execute
permissions in the p2m, and only when it takes responsibility for
dealing with the fallout.

~Andrew



  reply	other threads:[~2021-08-31 15:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-08-30 13:01 [PATCH 0/4] x86/PVH: Dom0 building adjustments Jan Beulich
2021-08-30 13:02 ` [PATCH 1/4] x86/PVH: de-duplicate mappings for first Mb of Dom0 memory Jan Beulich
2021-08-31 13:02   ` Andrew Cooper
2021-08-31 13:14     ` Jan Beulich
2021-08-31 13:19       ` Jan Beulich
2021-08-31 13:27         ` Andrew Cooper
2021-08-31 13:36           ` Jan Beulich
2021-09-01 11:49             ` Andrew Cooper
2021-09-01  8:41       ` Roger Pau Monné
2021-08-30 13:02 ` [PATCH 2/4] x86/P2M: relax guarding of MMIO entries Jan Beulich
2021-08-31 13:16   ` Jan Beulich
2021-08-31 13:16   ` Andrew Cooper
2021-08-31 13:26     ` Jan Beulich
2021-08-31 15:25       ` Andrew Cooper [this message]
2021-08-31 15:38         ` Jan Beulich
2021-09-01  8:08           ` Jan Beulich
2021-09-01  8:50           ` Roger Pau Monné
2021-09-01  9:53             ` Jan Beulich
2021-09-01 13:48               ` Roger Pau Monné
2021-09-01 14:05                 ` Jan Beulich
2021-09-01 12:47           ` Andrew Cooper
2021-09-01 13:08             ` Jan Beulich
2021-09-06 19:53               ` Andrew Cooper
2021-09-07  6:27                 ` Jan Beulich
2021-08-30 13:03 ` [PATCH 3/4] x86/PVH: improve Dom0 memory size calculation Jan Beulich
2021-08-31 14:07   ` Andrew Cooper
2021-08-31 15:30     ` Jan Beulich
2021-08-30 13:03 ` [PATCH 4/4] x86/PV: properly set shadow allocation for Dom0 Jan Beulich
2021-08-31 13:47   ` Andrew Cooper
2021-08-31 14:25     ` Jan Beulich
2021-08-31 21:08   ` Tim Deegan
2021-08-31  8:53 ` [PATCH 0/4] x86/PVH: Dom0 building adjustments Jan Beulich
2021-09-01 13:56   ` Roger Pau Monné
2021-09-01 14:19     ` Jan Beulich
2021-09-01 14:25       ` Jan Beulich
2021-09-01 16:13       ` Roger Pau Monné
2021-09-02  6:30         ` Jan Beulich
2021-09-01 15:06 ` Jan Beulich
2021-09-01 15:24   ` Juergen Gross
2021-09-01 15:51     ` Jan Beulich

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