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From: Thomas Monjalon <thomas@monjalon.net>
To: dev@dpdk.org, "jerinj@marvell.com" <jerinj@marvell.com>,
	"maxime.coquelin@redhat.com" <maxime.coquelin@redhat.com>,
	"Ye, Xiaolong" <xiaolong.ye@intel.com>,
	Nithin Dabilpuram <ndabilpuram@marvell.com>,
	Kiran Kumar K <kirankumark@marvell.com>,
	Zhihong Wang <zhihong.wang@intel.com>
Cc: "Zhang, Qi Z" <qi.z.zhang@intel.com>,
	"rahul.lakkireddy@chelsio.com" <rahul.lakkireddy@chelsio.com>,
	"Wang, Xiao W" <xiao.w.wang@intel.com>,
	"xavier.huwei@huawei.com" <xavier.huwei@huawei.com>,
	"Xing, Beilei" <beilei.xing@intel.com>,
	"Lu, Wenzhuo" <wenzhuo.lu@intel.com>,
	"Yang, Qiming" <qiming.yang@intel.com>,
	"Ananyev, Konstantin" <konstantin.ananyev@intel.com>,
	"Yigit, Ferruh" <ferruh.yigit@intel.com>,
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	"shshaikh@marvell.com" <shshaikh@marvell.com>,
	Andrew Rybchenko <arybchenko@solarflare.com>
Subject: Re: [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 0/3] refresh NIC features matrix
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2020 18:32:01 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <8045952.dE46n4Xy2H@thomas> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <26aaaba9-ac76-c917-a00e-145e3e2d0432@solarflare.com>

Call for action below (especially for octeontx2 and virtio):

24/03/2020 09:36, Andrew Rybchenko:
> On 3/20/20 2:15 PM, Zhang, Qi Z wrote:
> > From: Thomas Monjalon <thomas@monjalon.net>
> >> 20/03/2020 06:35, Zhang, Qi Z:
> >>> From: Thomas Monjalon <thomas@monjalon.net>
> >>>>
> >>>> This series aims to clean-up the big table of ethdev features:
> >>>>   http://doc.dpdk.org/guides/nics/overview.html#id1
> >>>>
> >>>> We could reorganize the information in this table, maybe split it or
> >>>> add/remove some rows.
> >>>> Before going to such reorganization, we should clean it up.
[...]
> >>>> More columns can be removed by merging PF/VF and vector datapaths.
> >>>> If a feature cannot be supported in all cases, it should be marked
> >>>> as partially supported (P).

I see that Intel merged "vec" columns for its PMDs.
We are still missing octeontx2 and virtio.
In order to make sure the message is received,
I suggest blocking any patch in these PMDs until features matrix is fixed.


> >>>> If a feature is PF-specific (like flow control), that's OK to mark
> >>>> it fully supported because it's obviously impossible for VF.
> >>>> There are also some features which were probably marked in some
> >>>> columns and missed in its VF or vector counterpart.

Ideally we should remove all these columns (VF to be discussed):

> >>>>   - cxgbevf
> >>>>   - fm10k_vf
> >>>>   - hns3_vf
> >>>>   - i40e_vf
> >>>>   - igb_vf
> >>>>   - ixgbe_vf
> >>>>   - octeontx2_vec
> >>>>   - octeontx2_vf
> >>>>   - qede_vf
> >>>>   - virtio_vec
> >>>>
> >>>> The total gain is to reduce the table size from 71 to 47 columns.
> >>>
> >>> I agree to remove all the column with "vec", since vector PMD can be
> >>> regarded as a feature of the a PMD.
> >>> But I'm not sure if it is a good idea to merge VF and PF into one column.
> >>> From my view, for intel device, VF driver and PF driver just share the code,
> >>> but they actually are running at two different context.
> >>> And likely they will support different feature, merge into one column may
> >>> confuse our customer if they want to understand what exactly the PMD
> >>> support.
> >>
> >> I understand you have 2 different datapaths.
> >> My arguments are:
> >> 	- it is the same NIC
> > 
> > Yes, but one device can be polymorphic, ideally i40e and i40evf
> > could be in two different folder, and the common part can be a
> > library in driver/common/i40e.
[...]
> 
> >> 	- you cannot summarize everything in a table
> >> 	- we have two many columns to make it readable
> > 
> > I don't think columns number is critical, typically user just need
> > to focus on the first column and the specific driver's column, 
> 
> Too many columns still makes it harder to read/analyze. I think
> the main goal of the table is too help making NIC choice to
> be installed in a server and you can't make a choice between
> PF and VF. Difference between PF and VF capabilities is
> a separate story and out-of-scope of the table.
> We have a new driver(s) in each DPDK release and table is
> already big and will grow more and more.
> 
> > I guess it may not a big challenge to enable some filter by front end web technique?
> >
> >> I think the right solution is mark features as partially available (P), and give
> >> details in the driver guide documentation.

Other opinions about removing/merging VF columns?



  parent reply	other threads:[~2020-04-17 16:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-03-11 23:01 [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 0/3] refresh NIC features matrix Thomas Monjalon
2020-03-11 23:01 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 1/3] doc: fix matrix CSS for recent sphinx Thomas Monjalon
2020-03-11 23:01 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 2/3] doc: remove empty columns from NIC features matrix Thomas Monjalon
2020-03-11 23:01 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 3/3] doc: remove similar " Thomas Monjalon
2020-03-18 11:42 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 0/3] refresh " Thomas Monjalon
2020-03-20  5:35 ` Zhang, Qi Z
2020-03-20 10:44   ` Thomas Monjalon
2020-03-20 11:15     ` Zhang, Qi Z
2020-03-24  8:36       ` Andrew Rybchenko
2020-04-16 20:13         ` Thomas Monjalon
2020-04-17 16:32         ` Thomas Monjalon [this message]
2020-04-17 18:21           ` Ajit Khaparde
2020-04-16 21:57 ` Thomas Monjalon

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