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From: Yonghong Song <yhs@fb.com>
To: Hao Luo <haoluo@google.com>, Alexei Starovoitov <ast@kernel.org>,
	Andrii Nakryiko <andrii@kernel.org>,
	Daniel Borkmann <daniel@iogearbox.net>
Cc: Martin KaFai Lau <kafai@fb.com>, Song Liu <songliubraving@fb.com>,
	KP Singh <kpsingh@kernel.org>, Shakeel Butt <shakeelb@google.com>,
	Joe Burton <jevburton.kernel@gmail.com>,
	Stanislav Fomichev <sdf@google.com>, <bpf@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC bpf-next v1 0/8] Pinning bpf objects outside bpffs
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2022 16:30:20 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <86203252-0c97-8085-f56f-ea8fe7f0b9dd@fb.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20220106215059.2308931-1-haoluo@google.com>



On 1/6/22 1:50 PM, Hao Luo wrote:
> Bpffs is a pseudo file system that persists bpf objects. Previously
> bpf objects can only be pinned in bpffs, this patchset extends pinning
> to allow bpf objects to be pinned (or exposed) to other file systems.
> 
> In particular, this patchset allows pinning bpf objects in kernfs. This
> creates a new file entry in the kernfs file system and the created file
> is able to reference the bpf object. By doing so, bpf can be used to
> customize the file's operations, such as seq_show.
> 
> As a concrete usecase of this feature, this patchset introduces a
> simple new program type called 'bpf_view', which can be used to format
> a seq file by a kernel object's state. By pinning a bpf_view program
> into a cgroup directory, userspace is able to read the cgroup's state
> from file in a format defined by the bpf program.
> 
> Different from bpffs, kernfs doesn't have a callback when a kernfs node
> is freed, which is problem if we allow the kernfs node to hold an extra
> reference of the bpf object, because there is no chance to dec the
> object's refcnt. Therefore the kernfs node created by pinning doesn't
> hold reference of the bpf object. The lifetime of the kernfs node
> depends on the lifetime of the bpf object. Rather than "pinning in
> kernfs", it is "exposing to kernfs". We require the bpf object to be
> pinned in bpffs first before it can be pinned in kernfs. When the
> object is unpinned from bpffs, their kernfs nodes will be removed
> automatically. This somehow treats a pinned bpf object as a persistent
> "device".

During our initial discussion for bpf_iter, we even proposed to
put cat-able files under /proc/ system. But there are some concerns
that /proc/ system holds stable APIs so people can rely on its format 
etc. Not sure kernfs here has such requirement or not.

I understand directly put files in respective target directories
(e.g., cgroup) helps. But you can also create directory hierarchy
in bpffs. This can make a bunch of cgroup-stat-dumping bpf programs
better organized.

Also regarding new program type bpf_view, I think we can reuse
bpf_iter infrastructure. E.g., we already can customize bpf_iter
for a particular map. We can certainly customize bpf_iter targeting
a particular cgroup.

> 
> We rely on fsnotify to monitor the inode events in bpffs. A new function
> bpf_watch_inode() is introduced. It allows registering a callback
> function at inode destruction. For the kernfs case, a callback that
> removes kernfs node is registered at the destruction of bpffs inodes.
> For other file systems such as sockfs, bpf_watch_inode() can monitor the
> destruction of sockfs inodes and the created file entry can hold the bpf
> object's reference. In this case, it is truly "pinning".
> 
> File operations other than seq_show can also be implemented using bpf.
> For example, bpf may be of help for .poll and .mmap in kernfs.
> 
> Patch organization:
>   - patch 1/8 and 2/8 are preparations. 1/8 implements bpf_watch_inode();
>     2/8 records bpffs inode in bpf object.
>   - patch 3/8 and 4/8 implement generic logic for creating bpf backed
>     kernfs file.
>   - patch 5/8 and 6/8 add a new program type for formatting output.
>   - patch 7/8 implements cgroup seq_show operation using bpf.
>   - patch 8/8 adds selftest.
> 
> Hao Luo (8):
>    bpf: Support pinning in non-bpf file system.
>    bpf: Record back pointer to the inode in bpffs
>    bpf: Expose bpf object in kernfs
>    bpf: Support removing kernfs entries
>    bpf: Introduce a new program type bpf_view.
>    libbpf: Support of bpf_view prog type.
>    bpf: Add seq_show operation for bpf in cgroupfs
>    selftests/bpf: Test exposing bpf objects in kernfs
> 
>   include/linux/bpf.h                           |   9 +-
>   include/uapi/linux/bpf.h                      |   2 +
>   kernel/bpf/Makefile                           |   2 +-
>   kernel/bpf/bpf_view.c                         | 190 ++++++++++++++
>   kernel/bpf/bpf_view.h                         |  25 ++
>   kernel/bpf/inode.c                            | 219 ++++++++++++++--
>   kernel/bpf/inode.h                            |  54 ++++
>   kernel/bpf/kernfs_node.c                      | 165 ++++++++++++
>   kernel/bpf/syscall.c                          |   3 +
>   kernel/bpf/verifier.c                         |   6 +
>   kernel/trace/bpf_trace.c                      |  12 +-
>   tools/include/uapi/linux/bpf.h                |   2 +
>   tools/lib/bpf/libbpf.c                        |  21 ++
>   .../selftests/bpf/prog_tests/pinning_kernfs.c | 245 ++++++++++++++++++
>   .../selftests/bpf/progs/pinning_kernfs.c      |  72 +++++
>   15 files changed, 995 insertions(+), 32 deletions(-)
>   create mode 100644 kernel/bpf/bpf_view.c
>   create mode 100644 kernel/bpf/bpf_view.h
>   create mode 100644 kernel/bpf/inode.h
>   create mode 100644 kernel/bpf/kernfs_node.c
>   create mode 100644 tools/testing/selftests/bpf/prog_tests/pinning_kernfs.c
>   create mode 100644 tools/testing/selftests/bpf/progs/pinning_kernfs.c
> 

  parent reply	other threads:[~2022-01-07  0:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-01-06 21:50 [PATCH RFC bpf-next v1 0/8] Pinning bpf objects outside bpffs Hao Luo
2022-01-06 21:50 ` [PATCH RFC bpf-next v1 1/8] bpf: Support pinning in non-bpf file system Hao Luo
2022-01-07  0:04   ` kernel test robot
2022-01-07  0:33   ` Yonghong Song
2022-01-08  0:41   ` kernel test robot
2022-01-08  0:41     ` kernel test robot
2022-01-06 21:50 ` [PATCH RFC bpf-next v1 2/8] bpf: Record back pointer to the inode in bpffs Hao Luo
2022-01-06 21:50 ` [PATCH RFC bpf-next v1 3/8] bpf: Expose bpf object in kernfs Hao Luo
2022-01-06 21:50 ` [PATCH RFC bpf-next v1 4/8] bpf: Support removing kernfs entries Hao Luo
2022-01-06 21:50 ` [PATCH RFC bpf-next v1 5/8] bpf: Introduce a new program type bpf_view Hao Luo
2022-01-07  0:35   ` Yonghong Song
2022-01-06 21:50 ` [PATCH RFC bpf-next v1 6/8] libbpf: Support of bpf_view prog type Hao Luo
2022-01-06 21:50 ` [PATCH RFC bpf-next v1 7/8] bpf: Add seq_show operation for bpf in cgroupfs Hao Luo
2022-01-06 21:50 ` [PATCH RFC bpf-next v1 8/8] selftests/bpf: Test exposing bpf objects in kernfs Hao Luo
2022-01-06 23:02 ` [PATCH RFC bpf-next v1 0/8] Pinning bpf objects outside bpffs sdf
2022-01-07 18:59   ` Hao Luo
2022-01-07 19:25     ` sdf
2022-01-10 18:55       ` Hao Luo
2022-01-10 19:22         ` Stanislav Fomichev
2022-01-11  3:33         ` Alexei Starovoitov
2022-01-11 17:06           ` Stanislav Fomichev
2022-01-11 18:20           ` Hao Luo
2022-01-12 18:55             ` Song Liu
2022-01-12 19:19               ` Hao Luo
2022-01-07  0:30 ` Yonghong Song [this message]
2022-01-07 20:43   ` Hao Luo
2022-01-10 17:30     ` Yonghong Song
2022-01-10 18:56       ` Hao Luo

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