Re[2]: [mlmmj] Problems with microsoft

["Christian Gleerup" <christian.gleerup@swn.nu>]

Hello Ben
 
I was a bit impation, and manually deleted those in the bounce folder. (currently a bit paranoid about getting trappend in Microsofts spam list again).
 
Regarding mlmmj-maintd, it is scheduled to run every second hour, and I also tried to run it manually (without a lot of waiting tough)
mlmmj-maind is setup in cron.d/mlmmj almost identical to the sample on mlmmj's website.
0 */2 * * * root /usr/bin/test -x /usr/bin/mlmmj-maintd && /usr/bin/mlmmj-maintd -F -d /var/spool/mlmmj
 
On the other hand, I don't really understand how mlmmj-maintd works in the following case:
 
1) mlmmj sends a mail to a some subscriber
2) the recipent sends 550, non-existing user.
3) I manually parse the 'bounce files' and identify the '550, non-existing user'
4) I manully unsubscribe the 'non-existing user' from command line
 
---> at this point, I would expect no more mails getting queued since the user is no longer subscriber?
 
* I would expect mlmmj to either remove the mail from the bounce list when unsubscribing, or to remove it on the Next mlmmj-maintd run since it is no longer a subscriber.
 
if mlmmj sends a probe for 'removal' detection, isn't it going to stay in the bounce directory as long as the server responds with 550?
Is there something I am missing?
 
kind regards
Christian

-----Original Message----- 
> From: "Ben Schmidt" <mail_ben_schmidt@yahoo.com.au> 
> To: "Christian Gleerup" <christian.gleerup@swn.nu>, mlmmj <mlmmj@mlmmj.org> 
> Date: 16/12/2013 23:48 
> Subject: Re: [mlmmj] Problems with microsoft 
> 
> Hi, Christian,
> 
> Mlmmj-maintd should clean it; it will send a probe, wait a while in case
> a bounce comes back, and if it doesn't, it will remove the bounce. If
> everything is working properly....
> 
> Ben.
> 
> 
> 
> On 14/12/13 5:11 AM, Christian Gleerup wrote:
> > iw_mail p{margin:0;padding:0;}
> > Hello list
> >
> > I can gladly inform you that my server has finally been allowed to send to Microsoft Again.
> >
> > Yesterday i manually removed a bunch of email addresses where Microsoft servers had responded 550.
> > I removed via command line.
> >
> > but now when i look in the '.../list/bounce' folder, all the addresses are still there.
> > is mlmmj going to clean up here or should I remove them manually?
> >
> > I can see postfix is still trying to deliver the mails
> >
> > kind regards
> > Christian
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> >> From: "Ben Schmidt" <mail_ben_schmidt@yahoo.com.au>
> >> To: "Christian Gleerup" <christian.gleerup@swn.nu>, mlmmj@mlmmj.org
> >> Date: 03/12/2013 22:19
> >> Subject: Re: [mlmmj] Problems with microsoft
> >>
> >> On 4/12/13 6:35 AM, Christian Gleerup wrote:
> >>> I have now updated to 1.2.18, and id did take some time to get the
> >>> list texts right, but it seems to be worken fine now. (I did a make
> >>> install, and then moved the installed binaries since the old binaries
> >>> was installed in a different location)
> >>
> >> Perhaps you wanted to give the --prefix argument to configure or
> >> something. Nevertheless, I'm sure what you did will have worked fine.
> >>
> >>> But obviously I still have the problem with sending to hotmail
> >>> accounts since that is a different problem... but as i noted in
> >>> another mail, hotmail did, when they accepted mails from me, tell me
> >>> to take it easy with sending that many mails in a little period of
> >>> time.
> >>>
> >>> so the question is, how can i tell mlmmj+postfix to only deliver x
> >>> mails pr. hour to the hotmail domain?
> >>
> >> I think this is something that should be done at the MTA level, not via
> >> Mlmmj. Multiple mailing lists and any other mail routed through the
> >> server will all contribute to Hotmail's limit, so only Postfix as the
> >> central point of control has enough information to enforce rate
> >> limiting. A quick Google turns up this, which should give you a starting
> >> point for investigation:
> >>
> >> http://steam.io/2013/04/01/postfix-rate-limiting/
> >>
> >>> Also, It will be interesting to see if mlmmj unsubscribes those
> >>> subscribers after bouncelife (=15 days)  with the accounts from the
> >>> domain that was taken down 2009.
> >>
> >> Indeed, it will. If not, something is broken somewhere, and we will have
> >> to investigate further....
> >>
> >> Smiles,
> >>
> >> Ben.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >