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From: Daniel Borkmann <daniel@iogearbox.net>
To: Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>
Cc: Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	the arch/x86 maintainers <x86@kernel.org>,
	Alexei Starovoitov <ast@kernel.org>,
	Masami Hiramatsu <mhiramat@kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-parisc@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-um <linux-um@lists.infradead.org>,
	Netdev <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	bpf@vger.kernel.org, Linux-MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	bgregg@netflix.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 11/18] maccess: remove strncpy_from_unsafe
Date: Thu, 14 May 2020 01:58:33 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <866cbe54-a027-04eb-65db-c6423d16b924@iogearbox.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200513232816.GZ23230@ZenIV.linux.org.uk>

On 5/14/20 1:28 AM, Al Viro wrote:
> On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 12:36:28AM +0200, Daniel Borkmann wrote:
> 
>>> So on say s390 TASK_SIZE_USUALLy is (-PAGE_SIZE), which means we'd alway
>>> try the user copy first, which seems odd.
>>>
>>> I'd really like to here from the bpf folks what the expected use case
>>> is here, and if the typical argument is kernel or user memory.
>>
>> It's used for both. Given this is enabled on pretty much all program types, my
>> assumption would be that usage is still more often on kernel memory than user one.
> 
> Then it needs an argument telling it which one to use.  Look at sparc64.
> Or s390.  Or parisc.  Et sodding cetera.
> 
> The underlying model is that the kernel lives in a separate address space.
> Yes, on x86 it's actually sharing the page tables with userland, but that's
> not universal.  The same address can be both a valid userland one _and_
> a valid kernel one.  You need to tell which one do you want.

Yes, see also 6ae08ae3dea2 ("bpf: Add probe_read_{user, kernel} and probe_read_{user,
kernel}_str helpers"), and my other reply wrt bpf_trace_printk() on how to address
this. All I'm trying to say is that both bpf_probe_read() and bpf_trace_printk() do
exist in this form since early [e]bpf days for ~5yrs now and while broken on non-x86
there are a lot of users on x86 for this in the wild, so they need to have a chance
to migrate over to the new facilities before they are fully removed.

  reply	other threads:[~2020-05-13 23:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-05-13 16:00 clean up and streamline probe_kernel_* and friends v2 Christoph Hellwig
2020-05-13 16:00 ` [PATCH 01/18] maccess: unexport probe_kernel_write and probe_user_write Christoph Hellwig
2020-05-13 16:00 ` [PATCH 02/18] maccess: remove various unused weak aliases Christoph Hellwig
2020-05-13 16:00 ` [PATCH 03/18] maccess: remove duplicate kerneldoc comments Christoph Hellwig
2020-05-13 16:00 ` [PATCH 04/18] maccess: clarify " Christoph Hellwig
2020-05-13 16:00 ` [PATCH 05/18] maccess: update the top of file comment Christoph Hellwig
2020-05-13 16:00 ` [PATCH 06/18] maccess: rename strncpy_from_unsafe_user to strncpy_from_user_nofault Christoph Hellwig
2020-05-13 16:00 ` [PATCH 07/18] maccess: rename strncpy_from_unsafe_strict to strncpy_from_kernel_nofault Christoph Hellwig
2020-05-13 16:00 ` [PATCH 08/18] maccess: rename strnlen_unsafe_user to strnlen_user_nofault Christoph Hellwig
2020-05-13 16:00 ` [PATCH 09/18] maccess: remove probe_read_common and probe_write_common Christoph Hellwig
2020-05-13 16:00 ` [PATCH 10/18] maccess: unify the probe kernel arch hooks Christoph Hellwig
2020-05-14  1:13   ` Masami Hiramatsu
2020-05-19  5:46     ` Christoph Hellwig
2020-05-13 16:00 ` [PATCH 11/18] maccess: remove strncpy_from_unsafe Christoph Hellwig
2020-05-13 19:11   ` Linus Torvalds
2020-05-13 19:11     ` Linus Torvalds
2020-05-13 19:28     ` Christoph Hellwig
2020-05-13 22:36       ` Daniel Borkmann
2020-05-13 23:03         ` Linus Torvalds
2020-05-13 23:03           ` Linus Torvalds
2020-05-13 23:24           ` Daniel Borkmann
2020-05-13 23:20         ` Masami Hiramatsu
2020-05-13 23:59           ` Linus Torvalds
2020-05-13 23:59             ` Linus Torvalds
2020-05-14  1:00             ` Masami Hiramatsu
2020-05-14  2:43               ` Linus Torvalds
2020-05-14  2:43                 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-05-14  9:44                 ` Masami Hiramatsu
2020-05-14 10:27                   ` Daniel Borkmann
2020-05-13 23:28         ` Al Viro
2020-05-13 23:58           ` Daniel Borkmann [this message]
2020-05-14 10:01             ` David Laight
2020-05-14 10:21               ` Daniel Borkmann
2020-05-13 16:00 ` [PATCH 12/18] maccess: always use strict semantics for probe_kernel_read Christoph Hellwig
2020-05-13 16:00 ` [PATCH 13/18] maccess: move user access routines together Christoph Hellwig
2020-05-13 16:00 ` [PATCH 14/18] maccess: allow architectures to provide kernel probing directly Christoph Hellwig
2020-05-13 19:36   ` Linus Torvalds
2020-05-13 19:36     ` Linus Torvalds
2020-05-13 19:40     ` Christoph Hellwig
2020-05-13 19:48       ` Linus Torvalds
2020-05-13 19:48         ` Linus Torvalds
2020-05-13 19:54         ` Christoph Hellwig
2020-05-16  3:42   ` Masami Hiramatsu
2020-05-18 15:09     ` Christoph Hellwig
2020-05-13 16:00 ` [PATCH 15/18] x86: use non-set_fs based maccess routines Christoph Hellwig
2020-05-13 16:00 ` [PATCH 16/18] maccess: rename probe_kernel_{read,write} to copy_{from,to}_kernel_nofault Christoph Hellwig
2020-05-13 16:00 ` [PATCH 17/18] maccess: rename probe_user_{read,write} to copy_{from,to}_user_nofault Christoph Hellwig
2020-05-13 16:00 ` [PATCH 18/18] maccess: rename probe_kernel_address to get_kernel_nofault Christoph Hellwig
2020-05-13 19:37 ` clean up and streamline probe_kernel_* and friends v2 Linus Torvalds
2020-05-13 19:37   ` Linus Torvalds
2020-05-13 23:04 ` Daniel Borkmann
2020-05-13 23:20   ` Linus Torvalds
2020-05-13 23:20     ` Linus Torvalds
2020-05-19  5:50   ` Christoph Hellwig

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