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From: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
To: "Jason A. Donenfeld" <Jason@zx2c4.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org,
	arnd@arndb.de
Cc: "Jason A. Donenfeld" <Jason@zx2c4.com>,
	Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	x86@kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 13/17] x86: use fallback for random_get_entropy() instead of zero
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2022 14:35:39 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <871qxl2vdw.ffs@tglx> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20220423212623.1957011-14-Jason@zx2c4.com>

On Sat, Apr 23 2022 at 23:26, Jason A. Donenfeld wrote:

Please follow the guidelines of the tip maintainers when touching x86
code. https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/process/maintainer-tip.html#patch-subject

> In the event that random_get_entropy() can't access a cycle counter or
> similar, falling back to returning 0 is really not the best we can do.
> Instead, at least calling random_get_entropy_fallback() would be
> preferable, because that always needs to return _something_, even
> falling back to jiffies eventually. It's not as though
> random_get_entropy_fallback() is super high precision or guaranteed to
> be entropic, but basically anything that's not zero all the time is
> better than returning zero all the time.
>
> If CONFIG_X86_TSC=n, then it's possible that we're running on a 486
> with no RDTSC, so we only need the fallback code for that case.

There are also 586 CPUs which lack TSC.

> While we're at it, fix up both the new function and the get_cycles()
> function from which its derived to use cpu_feature_enabled() rather
> than boot_cpu_has().

Lot's of 'we' here. We are not doing anything.

https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/process/maintainer-tip.html#changelog

> +static inline unsigned long random_get_entropy(void)
> +{
> +#ifndef CONFIG_X86_TSC
> +	if (!cpu_feature_enabled(X86_FEATURE_TSC))
> +		return random_get_entropy_fallback();
> +#endif

Please get rid of this ifdeffery. While you are right, that anything
with CONFIG_X86_TSC=y should have a TSC, there is virt ....

cpu_feature_enabled() is runtime patched and only evaluated before
alternative patching, so the win of this ifdef is marginally, if even
noticable.

We surely can think about making TSC mandatory, but not selectively in a
particalur context.

Thanks,

        tglx

  reply	other threads:[~2022-04-25 12:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 69+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-04-23 21:26 [PATCH v6 00/17] archs/random: fallback to best raw ktime when no cycle counter Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-23 21:26 ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-23 21:26 ` [OpenRISC] " Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-23 21:26 ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-23 21:26 ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-23 21:26 ` [PATCH v6 01/17] ia64: define get_cycles macro for arch-override Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-23 21:26 ` [PATCH v6 02/17] s390: " Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-25  9:43   ` Heiko Carstens
2022-04-25  9:48     ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-25 10:21       ` Heiko Carstens
2022-04-23 21:26 ` [PATCH v6 03/17] parisc: " Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-24 18:35   ` Helge Deller
2022-04-23 21:26 ` [PATCH v6 04/17] alpha: " Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-26 20:31   ` Matt Turner
2022-04-23 21:26 ` [PATCH v6 05/17] powerpc: " Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-23 21:26   ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-28  5:19   ` Michael Ellerman
2022-04-23 21:26 ` [PATCH v6 06/17] timekeeping: add raw clock fallback for random_get_entropy() Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-25 12:37   ` Thomas Gleixner
2022-04-25 13:22     ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-05-02  9:37       ` Thomas Gleixner
2022-05-05  0:19         ` [PATCH v7] timekeeping: Add " Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-05-05  0:29           ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-05-06  3:20           ` [timekeeping] 3aeaac747d: PANIC:early_exception kernel test robot
2022-05-06  3:20             ` kernel test robot
2022-05-06  7:59             ` Thomas Gleixner
2022-05-06  7:59               ` Thomas Gleixner
2022-05-06 10:12               ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-05-06 10:12                 ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-05-06 16:01                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2022-05-06 16:01                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2022-05-06 10:21         ` [PATCH v8] timekeeping: Add raw clock fallback for random_get_entropy() Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-23 21:26 ` [PATCH v6 07/17] m68k: use fallback for random_get_entropy() instead of zero Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-23 21:26 ` [PATCH v6 08/17] riscv: " Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-25 14:55   ` Palmer Dabbelt
2022-04-25 15:02     ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-25 15:20       ` Palmer Dabbelt
2022-04-23 21:26 ` [PATCH v6 09/17] mips: use fallback for random_get_entropy() instead of just c0 random Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-26 20:28   ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2022-04-27  1:29     ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-06-24 13:04       ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-06-24 13:25         ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2022-09-25 10:00           ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-09-25 14:17             ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2022-04-23 21:26 ` [PATCH v6 10/17] arm: use fallback for random_get_entropy() instead of zero Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-25 14:30   ` Russell King (Oracle)
2022-04-23 21:26 ` [PATCH v6 11/17] openrisc: " Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-27 21:42   ` Stafford Horne
2022-04-27 23:26     ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-29  0:16   ` [PATCH v7 11/17] openrisc: account for 0 starting value in random_get_entropy() Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-30  1:19     ` Stafford Horne
2022-04-30  1:29       ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-30 22:11         ` Stafford Horne
2022-04-30 22:34           ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-30 22:44             ` Stafford Horne
2022-04-23 21:26 ` [PATCH v6 12/17] nios2: use fallback for random_get_entropy() instead of zero Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-05-23 13:56   ` Dinh Nguyen
2022-04-23 21:26 ` [PATCH v6 13/17] x86: " Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-25 12:35   ` Thomas Gleixner [this message]
2022-04-25 13:41     ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-25 13:51       ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-25 17:03       ` Thomas Gleixner
2022-04-25 17:24         ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-26  8:33           ` [PATCH v7 13/17] x86/asm: " Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-05-02  9:40             ` Thomas Gleixner
2022-04-23 21:26 ` [PATCH v6 14/17] um: " Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-23 21:26 ` [PATCH v6 15/17] sparc: " Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-23 21:26 ` [PATCH v6 16/17] xtensa: " Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-04-23 21:26 ` [PATCH v6 17/17] random: insist on random_get_entropy() existing in order to simplify Jason A. Donenfeld

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