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From: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
To: LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Cc: Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	Fenghua Yu <fenghua.yu@intel.com>,
	Tony Luck <tony.luck@intel.com>,
	Yu-cheng Yu <yu-cheng.yu@intel.com>,
	Sebastian Andrzej Siewior <bigeasy@linutronix.de>,
	Borislav Petkov <bp@suse.de>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Kan Liang <kan.liang@linux.intel.com>
Subject: Re: [patch 00/41] x86/fpu: Spring cleaning and PKRU sanitizing
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2021 02:24:17 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <871r98vsjy.ffs@nanos.tec.linutronix.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20210611161523.508908024@linutronix.de>

On Fri, Jun 11 2021 at 18:15, Thomas Gleixner wrote:
>   - Removal of PKRU from being XSTATE managed in the kernel because PKRU
>     has to be eagerly restored on context switch and keeping it in sync
>     in the xstate buffer is just pointless overhead and fragile.

Just before anyone comes up with any complaints about the resulting
inconsistency vs. xgetbv(1) in the case that the PKRU value is 0.

That inconsistency is simply a INTEL only hardware bug and there is no
way to get this consistent ever no matter what kind of mechanism the
kernel uses. This inconsistency can be demonstrated in user space w/o
any kernel interaction.

The Intel SDM states in volume 1, chapter 13.6

 PROCESSOR TRACKING OF XSAVE-MANAGED STATE

  * PKRU state. PKRU state is in its initial configuration if the value
    of the PKRU is 0.

But that's just not true.

        wrpkru(0)
        assert(!(xgetbv(1) & XFEATURE_PKRU);

fails on Intel but not on AMD AFAIK. xgetbv(1) returns the 'INUSE'
bitmap of xstate managed features.

But the Intel SDM is blury about this:

  XINUSE denotes the state-component bitmap corresponding to the init
  optimization. If XINUSE[i] = 0, state component i is known to be in
  its initial configuration; otherwise XINUSE[i] = 1. It is possible for
  XINUSE[i] to be 1 even when state component i is in its initial
  configuration. On a processor that does not support the init
  optimization, XINUSE[i] is always 1 for every value of i.

IOW there is no consistency vs. XINUSE and initial state guaranteed at
all. So why should the kernel worry about this?

We just use the most optimized way to deal with this and that's what
this patch series is doing by removing PKRU from xstate management in
the kernel.

If anyone cares about consistency of XINUSE vs. the actual component
state then please redirect the complaints to INTEL.

Either the hardware folks get their act together or software which
relies on consistency (cough, cough) like rr has to cope with it.

Making the kernel to pretend that all of this is consistent under all
circumstances is a futile attempt to ignore reality.

This inconsistency can only be fixed in hardware/ucode. End of story.

Thanks,

        tglx

  parent reply	other threads:[~2021-06-12  0:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 69+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-06-11 16:15 [patch 00/41] x86/fpu: Spring cleaning and PKRU sanitizing Thomas Gleixner
2021-06-11 16:15 ` [patch 01/41] Revert a5eff7259790 ("x86/pkeys: Add PKRU value to init_fpstate") Thomas Gleixner
2021-06-11 17:04   ` Borislav Petkov
2021-06-11 16:15 ` [patch 02/41] x86/fpu: Mark various FPU states __ro_after_init Thomas Gleixner
2021-06-11 17:21   ` Borislav Petkov
2021-06-11 18:35   ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-06-11 16:15 ` [patch 03/41] x86/fpu: Remove unused get_xsave_field_ptr() Thomas Gleixner
2021-06-11 18:35   ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-06-11 16:15 ` [patch 04/41] x86/fpu: Move inlines where they belong Thomas Gleixner
2021-06-11 16:15 ` [patch 05/41] x86/fpu: Limit xstate copy size in xstateregs_set() Thomas Gleixner
2021-06-11 18:15   ` Borislav Petkov
2021-06-11 18:37   ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-06-11 19:37     ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-06-11 16:15 ` [patch 06/41] x86/fpu: Sanitize xstateregs_set() Thomas Gleixner
2021-06-11 18:45   ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-06-11 20:23     ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-06-11 16:15 ` [patch 07/41] x86/fpu: Simplify PTRACE_GETREGS code Thomas Gleixner
2021-06-11 18:47   ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-06-12  9:13   ` Borislav Petkov
2021-06-11 16:15 ` [patch 08/41] x86/fpu: Restrict fpstate sanitizing to legacy components Thomas Gleixner
2021-06-11 19:03   ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-06-11 19:18     ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-06-11 20:33       ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-06-11 20:34         ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-06-11 20:27     ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-06-11 22:12     ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-06-12 13:15       ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-06-12 22:05       ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-06-11 16:15 ` [patch 09/41] x86/kvm: Avoid looking up PKRU in XSAVE buffer Thomas Gleixner
2021-06-14 10:26   ` Borislav Petkov
2021-06-14 19:34     ` Dave Hansen
2021-06-15 10:09       ` Borislav Petkov
2021-06-11 16:15 ` [patch 10/41] x86/fpu: Cleanup arch_set_user_pkey_access() Thomas Gleixner
2021-06-11 16:15 ` [patch 11/41] x86/fpu: Get rid of copy_supervisor_to_kernel() Thomas Gleixner
2021-06-11 19:42   ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-06-11 16:15 ` [patch 12/41] x86/fpu: Rename copy_xregs_to_kernel() and copy_kernel_to_xregs() Thomas Gleixner
2021-06-11 16:15 ` [patch 13/41] x86/fpu: Rename copy_user_to_xregs() and copy_xregs_to_user() Thomas Gleixner
2021-06-11 16:15 ` [patch 14/41] x86/fpu: Rename fxregs related copy functions Thomas Gleixner
2021-06-11 16:15 ` [patch 15/41] x86/fpu: Rename fregs " Thomas Gleixner
2021-06-11 16:15 ` [patch 16/41] x86/fpu: Rename xstate copy functions which are related to UABI Thomas Gleixner
2021-06-11 16:15 ` [patch 17/41] x86/fpu: Deduplicate copy_uabi_from_user/kernel_to_xstate() Thomas Gleixner
2021-06-11 16:15 ` [patch 18/41] x86/fpu: Rename copy_fpregs_to_fpstate() to save_fpregs_to_fpstate() Thomas Gleixner
2021-06-11 16:15 ` [patch 19/41] x86/fpu: Rename copy_kernel_to_fpregs() to restore_fpregs_from_kernel() Thomas Gleixner
2021-06-11 16:15 ` [patch 20/41] x86/fpu: Rename initstate copy functions Thomas Gleixner
2021-06-11 16:15 ` [patch 21/41] x86/fpu: Rename "dynamic" XSTATEs to "independent" Thomas Gleixner
2021-06-11 16:15 ` [patch 22/41] x86/fpu/xstate: Sanitize handling of independent features Thomas Gleixner
2021-06-11 16:15 ` [patch 23/41] x86/pkeys: Move read_pkru() and write_pkru() Thomas Gleixner
2021-06-11 16:15 ` [patch 24/41] x86/fpu: Differentiate "copy" versus "move" of fpregs Thomas Gleixner
2021-06-11 16:15 ` [patch 25/41] x86/cpu: Sanitize X86_FEATURE_OSPKE Thomas Gleixner
2021-06-11 16:15 ` [patch 26/41] x86/pkru: Provide pkru_get_init_value() Thomas Gleixner
2021-06-11 16:15 ` [patch 27/41] x86/pkru: Provide pkru_write_default() Thomas Gleixner
2021-06-11 16:15 ` [patch 28/41] x86/cpu: Write the default PKRU value when enabling PKE Thomas Gleixner
2021-06-11 16:15 ` [patch 29/41] x86/fpu: Use pkru_write_default() in copy_init_fpstate_to_fpregs() Thomas Gleixner
2021-06-11 16:15 ` [patch 30/41] x86/fpu: Rename fpu__clear_all() to fpu_flush_thread() Thomas Gleixner
2021-06-11 16:15 ` [patch 31/41] x86/fpu: Clean up the fpu__clear() variants Thomas Gleixner
2021-06-11 16:15 ` [patch 32/41] x86/fpu: Rename __fpregs_load_activate() to fpregs_restore_userregs() Thomas Gleixner
2021-06-11 16:15 ` [patch 33/41] x86/fpu: Move FXSAVE_LEAK quirk info __copy_kernel_to_fpregs() Thomas Gleixner
2021-06-11 16:15 ` [patch 34/41] x86/fpu: Rename xfeatures_mask_user() to xfeatures_mask_uabi() Thomas Gleixner
2021-06-11 16:15 ` [patch 35/41] x86/fpu: Dont restore PKRU in fpregs_restore_userspace() Thomas Gleixner
2021-06-11 16:15 ` [patch 36/41] x86/fpu: Add PKRU storage outside of task XSAVE buffer Thomas Gleixner
2021-06-11 16:16 ` [patch 37/41] x86/fpu: Hook up PKRU into ptrace() Thomas Gleixner
2021-06-11 16:16 ` [patch 38/41] x86/fpu: Mask PKRU from kernel XRSTOR[S] operations Thomas Gleixner
2021-06-11 16:16 ` [patch 39/41] x86/fpu: Remove PKRU handling from switch_fpu_finish() Thomas Gleixner
2021-06-11 16:16 ` [patch 40/41] x86/fpu: Dont store PKRU in xstate in fpu_reset_fpstate() Thomas Gleixner
2021-06-11 16:16 ` [patch 41/41] x86/pkru: Remove xstate fiddling from write_pkru() Thomas Gleixner
2021-06-12  0:24 ` Thomas Gleixner [this message]
2021-06-12  0:40   ` [patch 00/41] x86/fpu: Spring cleaning and PKRU sanitizing Dave Hansen
2021-06-16 20:55   ` Dave Hansen
2021-06-17  7:06     ` Thomas Gleixner

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