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From: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
To: Joel Fernandes <joel@joelfernandes.org>
Cc: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@kernel.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	rcu@vger.kernel.org, Andrew Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
	X86 ML <x86@kernel.org>,
	Frederic Weisbecker <frederic@kernel.org>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>,
	Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH x86/entry: Force rcu_irq_enter() when in idle task
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2020 10:40:04 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <871rmfcskb.fsf@nanos.tec.linutronix.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200615201647.GC12037@google.com>

Joel,

Joel Fernandes <joel@joelfernandes.org> writes:
> On Fri, Jun 12, 2020 at 03:55:00PM +0200, Thomas Gleixner wrote:
>> This is also correct vs. user mode entries in NOHZ full scenarios because
>> user mode entries bring RCU out of EQS and force the RCU irq nesting state
>
> I had to re-read this sentence a couple of times. The 'user mode entries'
> sounds like 'entry into user mode'. It would be good to reword it to 'IRQ
> entry in user mode'.

:)

> My knowledge predates the rcu-watching reworks so apologies on the below
> question but I still didn't fully follow why when the idle task behaves
> differently from being in user mode. Even with user mode we should have:
>
> <user mode>  (in EQS)
>   <irq entry>   <---------- exits EQS so now rcu is watching
>      <softirq entry in the exit path>
>         <timer tick irq entry>  <-- the buggy !watching logic prevents rcu_irq_enter
> 	    -> report QS since tick thinks it is first level.
>
> Is there a subtlety here I'm missing? I checked the RCU code and I did not
> see anywhere that rcu_user_enter() makes it behave differently. Both
> rcu_user_enter() and rcu_idle_enter() call rcu_eqs_enter().

The interrupt hit user mode entry does:

    idtentry_enter_cond_rcu()
      if (user_mode(regs))
         enter_from_user_mode()
           user_exit_irqoff()
             __context_tracking_exit(CONTEXT_USER)
               rcu_user_exit()
                 rcu_eqs_exit(1)
                   ...
                   WRITE_ONCE(rdp->dynticks_nmi_nesting,
                              DYNTICK_IRQ_NONIDLE);

i.e. for interrupts which enter from user mode we are not invoking
rcu_irq_enter() at all.

The return from interrupt path has nothing to do with that because
that's an entry in kernel mode.

Thanks,

        tglx



  reply	other threads:[~2020-06-16  8:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-06-11 23:53 [PATCH RFC] x86/entry: Ask RCU if it needs rcu_irq_{enter,exit}() Paul E. McKenney
2020-06-11 23:54 ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-06-12  5:30 ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-06-12 12:40   ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-06-12 13:55     ` [PATCH x86/entry: Force rcu_irq_enter() when in idle task Thomas Gleixner
2020-06-12 14:26       ` Frederic Weisbecker
2020-06-12 14:47         ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-06-12 15:32       ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-06-12 17:49       ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-06-12 19:19         ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-06-12 19:25           ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-06-12 19:28             ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-06-12 19:34             ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-06-12 21:56               ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-06-12 19:50       ` [tip: x86/entry] " tip-bot2 for Thomas Gleixner
2020-06-15 20:16       ` [PATCH " Joel Fernandes
2020-06-16  8:40         ` Thomas Gleixner [this message]
2020-06-16 14:30           ` Joel Fernandes
2020-06-16 16:52             ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-06-12  9:27 ` [PATCH RFC] x86/entry: Ask RCU if it needs rcu_irq_{enter,exit}() Thomas Gleixner
2020-06-12 13:57   ` Paul E. McKenney

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