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From: Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Don Zickus <dzickus@redhat.com>,
	Robert Richter <robert.richter@amd.com>,
	Lin Ming <ming.m.lin@intel.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	Cyrill Gorcunov <gorcunov@gmail.com>,
	"fweisbec\@gmail.com" <fweisbec@gmail.com>,
	"linux-kernel\@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Huang\, Ying" <ying.huang@intel.com>
Subject: Re: A question of perf NMI handler
Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2010 17:37:57 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <8739urda5m.fsf@basil.nowhere.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1280934161.1923.1294.camel@laptop> (Peter Zijlstra's message of "Wed, 04 Aug 2010 17:02:41 +0200")

Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> writes:
>
> Suppose you have 4 counters (AMD, intel-nhm+), when more than 2 overflow
> the first will raise the PMI, if the other 2+ overflow before we disable
> the PMU it will try to raise 2+ more PMIs, but because hardware only has
> a single interrupt pending bit it will at most cause a single extra
> interrupt after we finish servicing the first one.
>
> So then the first interrupt will see 3+ overflows, return 3+, and will
> thus eat 2+ NMIs, only one of which will be the pending interrupt,
> leaving 1+ NMIs from other sources to consume unhandled.
>
> In which case Yinghai will have to press his NMI button 2+ times before
> it registers.
>
> That said, that might be a better situation than always consuming
> unknown NMIs.. 

One alternative would be to stop using NMIs for perf counters in common cases.

If you have PEBS and your events support PEBS then PEBS can give you a
lot of information inside the irq off region. That works for common
events at least.

Also traditionally interrupt off regions are shrinking in Linux,
so is it really still worth all the trouble just to profile inside them.

e.g. one could make nmi profiling an option with default off.

-Andi

-- 
ak@linux.intel.com -- Speaking for myself only.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-08-06 15:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 85+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-08-04  9:21 A question of perf NMI handler Lin Ming
2010-08-04  9:50 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-08-04 10:01 ` Robert Richter
2010-08-04 10:24   ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-08-04 10:29     ` Robert Richter
2010-08-04 14:00   ` Don Zickus
2010-08-04 14:11     ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-08-04 14:52       ` Don Zickus
2010-08-04 15:02         ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-08-04 15:18           ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2010-08-04 15:50             ` Don Zickus
2010-08-04 16:10               ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2010-08-04 16:20                 ` Don Zickus
2010-08-04 16:39                   ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2010-08-04 18:48                     ` Robert Richter
2010-08-04 19:22                       ` Andi Kleen
2010-08-04 19:26                       ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2010-08-06  6:52                         ` Robert Richter
2010-08-06 14:21                           ` Don Zickus
2010-08-09 19:48                             ` [PATCH] perf, x86: try to handle unknown nmis with running perfctrs Robert Richter
2010-08-09 20:02                               ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2010-08-10  7:42                                 ` Robert Richter
2010-08-10 16:16                                   ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2010-08-10 16:41                                     ` Robert Richter
2010-08-10 17:24                                       ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2010-08-10 19:05                                         ` Robert Richter
2010-08-10 19:24                                           ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2010-08-12 13:24                                             ` Robert Richter
2010-08-12 14:31                                               ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2010-08-10 20:48                               ` Don Zickus
2010-08-11  2:44                                 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-08-11 11:10                                   ` Robert Richter
2010-08-11 12:44                                     ` Don Zickus
2010-08-11 14:03                                       ` Robert Richter
2010-08-11 14:32                                         ` Don Zickus
2010-08-13  4:37                                     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-08-13  8:22                                       ` Robert Richter
2010-08-14  1:28                                         ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-08-14  2:29                                           ` Robert Richter
2010-08-11 12:39                                   ` Don Zickus
2010-08-11  3:19                                 ` Huang Ying
2010-08-11 12:36                                   ` Don Zickus
2010-08-16 14:37                                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-08-11 22:00                               ` [PATCH -v2] " Robert Richter
2010-08-12 13:10                                 ` Robert Richter
2010-08-12 18:21                                   ` Don Zickus
2010-08-16  7:37                                     ` Robert Richter
2010-08-12 13:52                                 ` Don Zickus
2010-08-13  4:25                                 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-08-16 14:48                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-08-16 16:27                                   ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2010-08-16 17:16                                     ` Robert Richter
2010-08-16 19:06                                       ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2010-08-16 19:13                                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-08-16 19:18                                           ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2010-08-16 22:55                                         ` Robert Richter
2010-08-17 15:23                                           ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2010-08-17 15:22                               ` [PATCH -v3] " Robert Richter
2010-08-17 16:17                                 ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2010-08-19 10:45                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-08-19 12:39                                   ` Robert Richter
2010-08-19 14:12                                   ` Don Zickus
2010-08-19 14:27                                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-08-19 15:20                                       ` Don Zickus
2010-08-19 17:43                                       ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2010-08-19 17:53                                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-08-19 21:58                                       ` Don Zickus
2010-08-20  8:50                                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-08-20  1:50                                       ` Don Zickus
2010-08-20  8:16                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2010-08-20 10:04                                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-08-20 10:30                                             ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2010-08-20 12:39                                             ` Don Zickus
2010-08-20 13:27                                               ` Ingo Molnar
2010-08-20 13:51                                                 ` Don Zickus
2010-08-20 14:17                                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2010-08-20 20:45                                                     ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2010-08-24 21:48                                                     ` Don Zickus
2010-08-20  8:36                                         ` Robert Richter
2010-08-20 14:17                                       ` [tip:perf/urgent] perf, x86: Fix handle_irq return values tip-bot for Peter Zijlstra
2010-08-20 14:17                                 ` [tip:perf/urgent] perf, x86: Try to handle unknown nmis with an enabled PMU tip-bot for Robert Richter
2010-08-06 15:35                   ` A question of perf NMI handler Andi Kleen
2010-08-04 15:45           ` Don Zickus
2010-08-06 15:37           ` Andi Kleen [this message]
2010-08-04 13:54 ` Don Zickus

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