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From: Peter Korsgaard <peter@korsgaard.com>
To: buildroot@busybox.net
Subject: [Buildroot] More maintainers
Date: Sat, 05 Sep 2020 08:44:08 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <877dt8n2o7.fsf@dell.be.48ers.dk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+h8R2qYVjSwFZR0DcOpAdSY8nZKURLwW+a8tanxpEvDh__fSg@mail.gmail.com> (Christian Stewart's message of "Fri, 4 Sep 2020 21:52:53 -0700")

>>>>> "Christian" == Christian Stewart <christian@paral.in> writes:

 > Hi Peter,
 > On Fri, Sep 4, 2020 at 2:10 PM Peter Korsgaard <peter@korsgaard.com> wrote:
 >> I think it is unrealistic to think that review bandwidth won't always be
 >> an issue. Given the meta nature (a build system of buildsystems) of
 >> Buildroot, no automation will ever be a substitute for real human
 >> review.

 > "No robotic pilot can ever beat a human!"

 > I think you're right about architectural changes, there's probably
 > some maintenance tasks that could be fully automated (at least for
 > approval) with some rules. The most simple example would be upgrades:
 > auto bump version + hash -> e2e test in Docker container -> manual
 > review period of 2-3 days -> merge. If any issue in this process, open
 > a bug report w/ the results.

Possibly, but what would that solve? We are not really lacking in
version bumps, are we? And trivial version bumps are typically applied
very fast.

The issue for any such testing is the number of combinations to get good
test coverage is very big, which is why we have the autobuilders to
catch things like "bumping foo breaks building bar when package x is
enabled and building for architecture y with toolchain version z" (an
extreme example, but it does happen).

I don't think adding more automation for these trivial version bumps
will make any significant change to our backlog.

But sure, we could do the basics, E.G. check-package and perhaps even
building a basic config. That could cover basic issues and would have
the advantage that the contributor gets fast feedback. It naturally also
means quite a bit more mails on the list (E.G. to send a reviewed-by or
any issues found).


 >> So yes, lets please discuss concrete improvements to the automation
 >> checks we already have or ways to get more people to help review rather
 >> than yet another discussion about the merits of pull requests versus
 >> emails.

 > One thing I'm working on right now is automated testing on
 > cross-compile targets - like Odroid, Raspberry Pi, etc, with network
 > boot + watchdog of course.

 > Probably with a very extensive test matrix, it could be possible to
 > allow very small patches to be merged automatically to "next" with a
 > qualifying # of reviewed-by?

More testing is certainly good, but aren't those "very small patches"
already getting applied to next pretty fast? Actually applying a patch
is a single git command so that doesn't take a long time.

-- 
Bye, Peter Korsgaard

  reply	other threads:[~2020-09-05  6:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 49+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-08-27 17:34 [Buildroot] More maintainers Adam Duskett
2020-08-27 19:35 ` Angelo Compagnucci
2020-08-27 20:39 ` Thomas Petazzoni
2020-08-29  9:50   ` Yann E. MORIN
2020-09-02 17:53     ` Adam Duskett
2020-09-02 20:08       ` Arnout Vandecappelle
2020-09-02 20:11         ` Adam Duskett
2020-09-02 21:51           ` Christian Stewart
2020-09-03 15:44             ` Avraham Shukron
2020-09-03 16:24               ` Thomas Petazzoni
2020-09-03 16:44                 ` Angelo Compagnucci
2020-09-03 17:29                   ` Adam Duskett
2020-09-04  8:31                     ` Nicolas Cavallari
2020-09-04 17:39                   ` Peter Korsgaard
2020-09-04 18:12                     ` Michael Nazzareno Trimarchi
2020-09-04 19:05                       ` Peter Korsgaard
2020-09-04 19:36                     ` Angelo Compagnucci
2020-09-04 21:10                       ` Peter Korsgaard
2020-09-05  4:52                         ` Christian Stewart
2020-09-05  6:44                           ` Peter Korsgaard [this message]
2020-09-05 16:20                             ` Adam Duskett
2020-09-05 17:25                               ` Peter Korsgaard
2020-09-05 19:16                               ` Thomas Petazzoni
2020-09-05 20:10                                 ` Angelo Compagnucci
2020-09-05 20:38                                   ` Thomas Petazzoni
2020-09-05 20:55                                     ` Angelo Compagnucci
2020-09-05 21:04                                       ` Thomas Petazzoni
2020-09-05 21:34                                         ` Angelo Compagnucci
2020-09-05 22:25                                           ` Adam Duskett
2020-09-06  7:43                                             ` Peter Korsgaard
2020-09-06  7:58                                               ` Yegor Yefremov
2020-09-07 15:02                                                 ` Heiko Thiery
2020-09-07 15:20                                                   ` Thomas Petazzoni
2020-09-07 15:43                                                     ` Heiko Thiery
2020-09-10 22:30                                                     ` Christian Stewart
2020-09-05 20:25                               ` Yann E. MORIN
2020-09-05 20:54                                 ` Yann E. MORIN
2020-09-05 18:59                             ` Alexander Dahl
2020-09-05 19:17                               ` Peter Korsgaard
2020-09-05 20:06                                 ` Christian Stewart
2020-09-04 17:30                 ` James Hilliard
2020-09-03 16:28               ` Angelo Compagnucci
2020-09-04 18:52                 ` Peter Korsgaard
2020-09-03 18:39               ` Christian Stewart
2020-09-07 15:57               ` Michael Nosthoff
2020-09-07 18:35                 ` Alexander Dahl
2020-09-09  6:14                   ` Peter Korsgaard
2020-09-05 13:06 ` [Buildroot] More maintainers: a live discussion ? Thomas Petazzoni
2020-09-07  8:02   ` Thomas Petazzoni

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