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From: ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman)
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Michael Schmitz <schmitzmic@gmail.com>,
	linux-arch <linux-arch@vger.kernel.org>,
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	Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] alpha/ptrace: Record and handle the absence of switch_stack
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2021 15:57:19 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <878s398r4g.fsf@disp2133> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHk-=whvNaYffE8Eaa4-jjYbF_r1u1sh5LF5zXFhdEP8hxySMQ@mail.gmail.com> (Linus Torvalds's message of "Wed, 16 Jun 2021 13:37:29 -0700")

Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> writes:

> On Wed, Jun 16, 2021 at 1:00 PM Linus Torvalds
> <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> wrote:
>>
>> And even for debugging, I think it would be both easier and cheaper to
>> just add a magic word to the entry stack instead.
>
> IOW, just add a
>
>       unsigned long magic;
>
> to "struct switch_stack", and then make the stack switch code push that value.
>
> That would be cheap enough to be just unconditional, but you could
> make it depend on a debug config option too, of course.
>
> It helps if 'xyz' is some constant that is easyish to generate. It
> might not be a constant - maybe it could be the address of that
> 'magic' field itself, so you'd just generate it with
>
>     stq $r,($r)
>
> and it would be equally easy to just validate at lookup for that WARN_ON_ONCE():
>
>     WARN_ON_ONCE(switch_stack->magic != (unsigned long)&switch_stack->magic);
>
> or whatever.
>
> It's for debugging, not security. So it doesn't have to be some kind
> of super-great magic number, just something easy to generate and check
> (that isn't a common value like "0" that trivially exist on the stack
> anyway).

Fair enough.

I was thinking for a moment that do_sigreturn might have a problem with
that but restore_sigcontext makes it clear that struct switch_stack is
not exposed to userspace.

Do you know if struct switch_stack or pt_regs is ever exposeed to
usespace?  They are both defined in arch/alpha/include/uapi/asm/ptrace.h
which makes me think userspace must see those definitions somewhere.

Eric

  reply	other threads:[~2021-06-16 20:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 126+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-06-10 20:57 Kernel stack read with PTRACE_EVENT_EXIT and io_uring threads Eric W. Biederman
2021-06-10 20:57 ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-06-10 22:04 ` Linus Torvalds
2021-06-11 21:39   ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-06-11 23:26     ` Linus Torvalds
2021-06-13 21:54       ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-06-13 22:18         ` Linus Torvalds
2021-06-14  2:05           ` Michael Schmitz
2021-06-14  5:03             ` Michael Schmitz
2021-06-14 16:26               ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-06-14 22:26                 ` Michael Schmitz
2021-06-15 19:30                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-06-15 19:36                     ` [PATCH] alpha: Add extra switch_stack frames in exit, exec, and kernel threads Eric W. Biederman
2021-06-15 22:02                       ` Linus Torvalds
2021-06-16 16:32                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-06-16 18:29                           ` [PATCH 0/2] alpha/ptrace: Improved switch_stack handling Eric W. Biederman
2021-06-16 18:31                             ` [PATCH 1/2] alpha/ptrace: Record and handle the absence of switch_stack Eric W. Biederman
2021-06-16 20:00                               ` Linus Torvalds
2021-06-16 20:37                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2021-06-16 20:57                                   ` Eric W. Biederman [this message]
2021-06-16 21:02                                     ` Al Viro
2021-06-16 21:08                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2021-06-16 20:42                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-06-16 20:17                               ` Al Viro
2021-06-21  2:01                               ` Michael Schmitz
2021-06-21  2:17                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2021-06-21  3:18                                   ` Michael Schmitz
2021-06-21  3:37                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2021-06-21  4:08                                       ` Michael Schmitz
2021-06-21  3:44                                     ` Al Viro
2021-06-21  5:31                                       ` Michael Schmitz
2021-06-21  2:27                                 ` Al Viro
2021-06-21  3:36                                   ` Michael Schmitz
2021-06-16 18:32                             ` [PATCH 2/2] alpha/ptrace: Add missing switch_stack frames Eric W. Biederman
2021-06-16 20:25                               ` Al Viro
2021-06-16 20:28                                 ` Al Viro
2021-06-16 20:49                                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-06-16 20:54                                     ` Al Viro
2021-06-16 20:47                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-06-16 20:55                                   ` Al Viro
2021-06-16 20:50                       ` [PATCH] alpha: Add extra switch_stack frames in exit, exec, and kernel threads Al Viro
2021-06-15 20:56                     ` Kernel stack read with PTRACE_EVENT_EXIT and io_uring threads Michael Schmitz
2021-06-16  0:23                       ` Finn Thain
2021-06-15 21:58                     ` Linus Torvalds
2021-06-16 15:06                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-06-21 13:54                       ` Al Viro
2021-06-21 14:16                         ` Al Viro
2021-06-21 16:50                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-06-21 23:05                             ` Al Viro
2021-06-22 16:39                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-06-21 15:38                         ` Linus Torvalds
2021-06-21 18:59                         ` Al Viro
2021-06-21 19:22                           ` Linus Torvalds
2021-06-21 19:45                             ` Al Viro
2021-06-21 23:14                               ` Linus Torvalds
2021-06-21 23:23                                 ` Al Viro
2021-06-21 23:36                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2021-06-22 21:02                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-06-22 21:48                                       ` Michael Schmitz
2021-06-23  5:26                                         ` Michael Schmitz
2021-06-23 14:36                                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-06-22  0:01                                 ` Michael Schmitz
2021-06-22 20:04                                 ` Michael Schmitz
2021-06-22 20:18                                   ` Al Viro
2021-06-22 21:57                                     ` Michael Schmitz
2021-06-21 20:03                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-06-21 23:15                               ` Linus Torvalds
2021-06-22 20:52                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-06-23  0:41                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2021-06-23 14:33                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-06-24 18:57                                       ` [PATCH 0/9] Refactoring exit Eric W. Biederman
2021-06-24 18:59                                         ` [PATCH 1/9] signal/sh: Use force_sig(SIGKILL) instead of do_group_exit(SIGKILL) Eric W. Biederman
2021-06-24 18:59                                         ` [PATCH 2/9] signal/seccomp: Refactor seccomp signal and coredump generation Eric W. Biederman
2021-06-26  3:17                                           ` Kees Cook
2021-06-28 19:21                                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-06-28 14:34                                           ` [signal/seccomp] 3fdd8c68c2: kernel-selftests.seccomp.seccomp_bpf.fail kernel test robot
2021-06-28 14:34                                             ` kernel test robot
2021-06-24 19:00                                         ` [PATCH 3/9] signal/seccomp: Dump core when there is only one live thread Eric W. Biederman
2021-06-26  3:20                                           ` Kees Cook
2021-06-24 19:01                                         ` [PATCH 4/9] signal: Factor start_group_exit out of complete_signal Eric W. Biederman
2021-06-24 20:04                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2021-06-25  8:47                                           ` kernel test robot
2021-06-25  8:47                                             ` kernel test robot
2021-06-26  3:24                                           ` Kees Cook
2021-06-24 19:01                                         ` [PATCH 5/9] signal/group_exit: Use start_group_exit in place of do_group_exit Eric W. Biederman
2021-06-26  3:35                                           ` Kees Cook
2021-06-24 19:02                                         ` [PATCH 6/9] signal: Fold do_group_exit into get_signal fixing io_uring threads Eric W. Biederman
2021-06-26  3:42                                           ` Kees Cook
2021-06-28 19:25                                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-06-24 19:02                                         ` [PATCH 7/9] signal: Make individual tasks exiting a first class concept Eric W. Biederman
2021-06-24 20:11                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2021-06-24 21:37                                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-06-24 19:03                                         ` [PATCH 8/9] signal/task_exit: Use start_task_exit in place of do_exit Eric W. Biederman
2021-06-26  5:56                                           ` Kees Cook
2021-06-24 19:03                                         ` [PATCH 9/9] signal: Move PTRACE_EVENT_EXIT into get_signal Eric W. Biederman
2021-06-24 22:45                                         ` [PATCH 0/9] Refactoring exit Al Viro
2021-06-27 22:13                                           ` Al Viro
2021-06-27 22:59                                             ` Michael Schmitz
2021-06-28  7:31                                               ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2021-06-28 16:20                                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-06-28 17:14                                                 ` Michael Schmitz
2021-06-28 19:17                                                   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2021-06-28 20:13                                                     ` Michael Schmitz
2021-06-28 21:18                                                       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2021-06-28 23:42                                                         ` Michael Schmitz
2021-06-29 20:28                                                           ` [CFT][PATCH] exit/bdflush: Remove the deprecated bdflush system call Eric W. Biederman
2021-06-29 20:28                                                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-06-29 21:45                                                             ` Michael Schmitz
2021-06-29 21:45                                                               ` Michael Schmitz
2021-06-30  8:24                                                             ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2021-06-30  8:37                                                             ` Arnd Bergmann
2021-06-30 12:30                                                             ` Cyril Hrubis
2021-06-28 19:02                                           ` [PATCH 0/9] Refactoring exit Eric W. Biederman
2021-06-21 19:24                           ` Kernel stack read with PTRACE_EVENT_EXIT and io_uring threads Al Viro
2021-06-21 23:24                             ` Michael Schmitz
2021-06-16  7:38                     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2021-06-16 19:40                       ` Michael Schmitz
2021-06-12 23:38 ` [PATCH v1] m68k: save extra registers on sys_exit and sys_exit_group syscall entry Michael Schmitz
2021-06-13 19:59   ` Linus Torvalds
2021-06-13 20:07     ` Michael Schmitz
2021-06-13 20:26       ` Linus Torvalds
2021-06-13 20:33         ` Linus Torvalds
2021-06-13 20:47         ` Linus Torvalds
2021-06-14  7:13   ` Michael Schmitz
2021-06-14  7:40     ` Andreas Schwab
2021-06-14  8:19       ` Michael Schmitz

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