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From: Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>
To: Sarah Sharp <sarah.a.sharp@linux.intel.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	Guenter Roeck <linux@roeck-us.net>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Dave Jones <davej@redhat.com>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	stable <stable@vger.kernel.org>,
	Darren Hart <dvhart@linux.intel.com>,
	Mauro Carvalho Chehab <mchehab@redhat.com>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>
Subject: Re: [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2013 10:32:44 +0930	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <878v16yp57.fsf@rustcorp.com.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130716210856.GF4994@xanatos>

Sarah Sharp <sarah.a.sharp@linux.intel.com> writes:
> On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 02:22:14PM +0930, Rusty Russell wrote:
> Linus is complaining about code here, and the effects of merging bad
> code on his own tree.  I personally have no qualms with this type of
> harsh email, because it focuses on the code, not the person.
>
> I do, however, object when the verbal abuse shifts from being directed
> at code to being directed at *people*.  For example, Linus chose to
> curse at Mauro [2] and Rafael [3], rather than their code:
>
>
> "Mauro, SHUT THE FUCK UP!"

This one crosses the line.  There's no non-offensive way to tell a geek
"you are wrong", but this isn't even trying.  Bad Linus!

> "How long have you been a maintainer? And you *still* haven't learnt the
> first rule of kernel maintenance?"
>
> "Shut up, Mauro. And I don't _ever_ want to hear that kind of obvious
> garbage and idiocy from a kernel maintainer again. Seriously."
>
> "The fact that you then try to make *excuses* for breaking user space,
> and blaming some external program that *used* to work, is just
> shameful. It's not how we work."
>
> "Fix your f*cking "compliance tool", because it is obviously broken.
> And fix your approach to kernel programming."
...
> ...and I'm surprised to
> hear that kind of utter garbage from you in particular."

Linus repeats 5 times: you can tell he's upset.

> "Seriously. Why do I even have to mention this? Why do I have to
> explain this to somebody pretty much *every* f*cking merge window?"

This one is OK, actually.

So, I tried to rewrite Linus' email.  And it lost the raw, red-hot anger
of the original.  It no longer makes everyone listen.  It tempts one to
argue.

It is not as effective :(

But suggesting alternate expressions might be constructive.
Rusty.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-07-17  1:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 339+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-07-15 15:52 [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review Sarah Sharp
2013-07-15 17:08 ` Linus Torvalds
2013-07-15 17:46   ` Sarah Sharp
2013-07-15 17:50     ` Linus Torvalds
2013-07-15 18:04       ` Sarah Sharp
2013-07-15 18:17         ` Linus Torvalds
2013-07-15 18:46           ` Sarah Sharp
2013-07-15 19:07             ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-15 19:07             ` Linus Torvalds
2013-07-15 19:53               ` Sarah Sharp
2013-07-15 20:41                 ` Sarah Sharp
2013-07-15 21:01                   ` Kees Cook
2013-07-15 21:50                   ` Linus Torvalds
2013-07-15 22:08                     ` [ATTEND] How to act on LKML (was: [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review) Steven Rostedt
2013-07-15 22:27                       ` [ATTEND] How to act on LKML Randy Dunlap
2013-07-15 22:36                       ` [ATTEND] How to act on LKML (was: [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review) Sarah Sharp
2013-07-15 23:15                         ` Guenter Roeck
2013-07-16  0:17                           ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-16  3:14                             ` NeilBrown
2013-07-16  3:34                               ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-16  3:37                                 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-16  4:12                                   ` Darren Hart
2013-07-16  5:12                             ` Willy Tarreau
2013-07-17  7:46                           ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] " Dan Carpenter
2013-07-15 23:49                         ` Darren Hart
2013-07-16  2:43                           ` [ATTEND] How to act on LKML Chris Ball
2013-07-16  3:06                             ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-16  3:36                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-07-16 15:49                                 ` Stefano Stabellini
2013-07-16 16:16                                   ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-16 16:58                                     ` Stefano Stabellini
2013-07-16 17:16                                       ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-17 11:48                                         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2013-07-16 19:31                                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-07-17  9:17                                         ` Stefano Stabellini
2013-07-17 14:01                                           ` Felipe Contreras
2013-07-17 14:40                                             ` Sarah Sharp
2013-07-17 14:43                                               ` Willy Tarreau
2013-07-19 11:59                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2013-07-17 14:43                                               ` Kurt H Maier
2013-07-17 15:04                                               ` Anca Emanuel
2013-07-17 15:12                                               ` Felipe Contreras
2013-07-19 12:08                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2013-07-19 18:42                                                   ` Felipe Contreras
2013-07-19 18:56                                                     ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-19 20:33                                                       ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] " James Bottomley
2013-07-19 20:43                                                         ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-19 23:46                                                           ` NeilBrown
2013-07-19 20:03                                                     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2013-07-20 12:35                                                       ` Felipe Contreras
2013-07-21  1:02                                                         ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] " Daniel Phillips
2013-07-21  1:02                                                           ` Daniel Phillips
2013-07-24  0:51                                                           ` Felipe Contreras
2013-07-24  0:51                                                             ` Felipe Contreras
2013-07-24  1:26                                                             ` James Bottomley
2013-07-24  1:26                                                               ` James Bottomley
2013-07-24  1:38                                                               ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-24  1:38                                                                 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-24 16:23                                                                 ` James Bottomley
2013-07-24 16:23                                                                   ` James Bottomley
2013-07-24 16:50                                                                   ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-24 16:50                                                                     ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-24  1:48                                                               ` Paul Gortmaker
2013-07-24  1:48                                                                 ` Paul Gortmaker
2013-07-24  1:53                                                                 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-24  1:53                                                                   ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-24  8:57                                                             ` Daniel Phillips
2013-07-24  8:57                                                               ` Daniel Phillips
2013-07-25 14:00                                                               ` Felipe Contreras
2013-07-25 14:00                                                                 ` Felipe Contreras
2013-07-25 14:33                                                                 ` Willy Tarreau
2013-07-25 14:33                                                                   ` Willy Tarreau
2013-07-25 14:49                                                                   ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-25 14:49                                                                     ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-25 22:51                                                                   ` Daniel Phillips
2013-07-25 22:51                                                                     ` Daniel Phillips
2013-07-25 23:30                                                                     ` Willy Tarreau
2013-07-25 23:30                                                                       ` Willy Tarreau
2013-07-25 23:44                                                                       ` Daniel Phillips
2013-07-25 23:44                                                                         ` Daniel Phillips
2013-07-26  5:22                                                                         ` Willy Tarreau
2013-07-26  5:22                                                                           ` Willy Tarreau
2013-07-20 17:04                                                     ` Ben Hutchings
2013-07-21 13:22                                                       ` Ric Wheeler
2013-07-23  1:26                                                         ` Li Zefan
2013-07-23  1:39                                                           ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-23  2:04                                                             ` Li Zefan
2013-07-17 19:05                                               ` David Miller
2013-07-17 22:02                                               ` Guenter Roeck
2013-07-17 22:49                                                 ` Randy Dunlap
2013-07-17 23:08                                                   ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] " Paul E. McKenney
2013-07-17 23:19                                                     ` Guenter Roeck
2013-07-18  0:57                                                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-07-16 22:54                                       ` Jiri Kosina
2013-07-16 23:03                                         ` Randy Dunlap
2013-07-16 23:11                                         ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-16 23:14                                           ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-17  9:38                                         ` Stefano Stabellini
2013-07-17 12:39                                           ` Al Viro
2013-07-17  8:04                                   ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] " Dan Carpenter
2013-07-16  7:32                         ` [ATTEND] How to act on LKML (was: [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review) David Lang
2013-07-16  9:14                           ` Olivier Galibert
2013-07-16 21:12                             ` Sarah Sharp
2013-07-16 21:27                               ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] " Theodore Ts'o
2013-07-16 22:43                                 ` Sarah Sharp
2013-07-16 22:54                                   ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-16 23:12                                     ` Sarah Sharp
2013-07-16 23:20                                       ` Joe Perches
2013-07-16 23:31                                       ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] [ATTEND] How to act on LKML Ric Wheeler
2013-07-16 23:53                                         ` Myklebust, Trond
2013-07-16 23:53                                           ` Myklebust, Trond
2013-07-17  1:21                                           ` Ric Wheeler
2013-07-17  1:21                                             ` Ric Wheeler
2013-07-17  7:36                                           ` CAI Qian
2013-07-17 14:48                                             ` Sarah Sharp
2013-07-17 15:09                                               ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-17 17:00                                                 ` Stefano Stabellini
2013-07-17 17:15                                                   ` Felipe Contreras
2013-07-17 17:56                                                     ` Stefano Stabellini
2013-07-17 18:05                                                       ` Felipe Contreras
2013-07-17 18:42                                                       ` Al Viro
2013-07-17 22:24                                                         ` Sarah Sharp
2013-07-18  0:29                                                           ` Felipe Contreras
2013-07-18  4:59                                                           ` Al Viro
2013-07-17 17:28                                                   ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-17 19:02                                                     ` Sarah Sharp
2013-07-17 17:57                                                   ` Al Viro
2013-07-17 17:52                                                 ` Willy Tarreau
2013-07-17 18:51                                                 ` Sarah Sharp
2013-07-17 19:04                                                   ` David Lang
2013-07-17 19:29                                                   ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-17 20:18                                                     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2013-07-19 10:54                                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2013-07-17 19:40                                                   ` Willy Tarreau
2013-07-17 22:38                                                   ` David Woodhouse
2013-07-17 23:05                                                   ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-07-18  2:40                                                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2013-07-18  3:00                                               ` CAI Qian
2013-07-16 23:38                                       ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] [ATTEND] How to act on LKML (was: [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review) Steven Rostedt
2013-07-16 23:46                                         ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-17 14:01                                         ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] [ATTEND] How to act on LKML Paul Gortmaker
2013-07-17  0:32                                       ` Jeff Liu
2013-07-17  0:51                                         ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-17  1:23                                           ` Sarah Sharp
2013-07-17  5:51                                           ` Willy Tarreau
2013-07-17 12:21                                             ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-17 12:30                                               ` Ricardo Ferreira
2013-07-17 13:03                                                 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-17 13:10                                                   ` Willy Tarreau
2013-07-17 15:02                                                   ` Sarah Sharp
2013-07-17 15:16                                                     ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-17 22:55                                                   ` Guenter Roeck
2013-07-17  9:15                                           ` Jeff Liu
2013-07-17 10:58                                             ` James Bottomley
2013-07-17 11:13                                               ` Jeff Liu
2013-07-16 23:01                                   ` Randy Dunlap
2013-07-16 23:50                                   ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] [ATTEND] How to act on LKML (was: [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review) Theodore Ts'o
2013-07-17  0:04                                     ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-17  1:34                                     ` NeilBrown
2013-07-17  2:18                                     ` Ben Hutchings
2013-07-17  3:02                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2013-07-17  3:16                                         ` Ben Hutchings
2013-07-17  4:48                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2013-07-17  5:22                                             ` Darren Hart
2013-07-17  5:32                                               ` Sarah Sharp
2013-07-17 17:41                                                 ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] [ATTEND] How to act on LKML Randy Dunlap
2013-07-17 17:59                                                   ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-16 22:18                               ` [ATTEND] How to act on LKML (was: [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review) Willy Tarreau
2013-07-16 22:39                                 ` Sarah Sharp
2013-07-16 23:46                                   ` [ATTEND] How to act on LKML Casey Schaufler
2013-07-17  1:02                                     ` Sarah Sharp
2013-07-17 10:10                                       ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-07-17 14:27                                       ` Felipe Contreras
2013-07-17 18:24                                         ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] " Luck, Tony
2013-07-17 18:24                                           ` Luck, Tony
2013-07-17 18:46                                           ` Felipe Contreras
2013-07-17 18:46                                             ` Felipe Contreras
2013-07-16 18:11                           ` [ATTEND] How to act on LKML (was: [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review) Guenter Roeck
2013-07-15 22:38                       ` Linus Torvalds
2013-07-15 22:50                         ` Sarah Sharp
2013-07-16  4:03                           ` [ATTEND] How to act on LKML David Ahern
2013-07-16 20:03                           ` [ATTEND] How to act on LKML (was: [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review) Martin Steigerwald
2013-07-16  1:02                         ` Raymond Jennings
2013-07-16 18:27                         ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] " James Bottomley
2013-07-16 21:18                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-07-17  6:14                             ` James Bottomley
2013-07-17 21:51                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-07-18  2:01                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2013-07-19  6:03                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-07-19 16:58                                   ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] [ATTEND] How to act on LKML H. Peter Anvin
2013-07-16 22:13                           ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] [ATTEND] How to act on LKML (was: [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review) NeilBrown
2013-07-18  9:05                           ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] [ATTEND] How to act on LKML Paolo Bonzini
2013-07-19  8:21                         ` Dave Chiluk
2013-07-16  3:27                       ` Li Zefan
2013-07-16  3:46                         ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-16 16:51                       ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] [ATTEND] How to act on LKML (was: [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review) David Howells
2013-07-18 10:39                     ` [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review Ingo Molnar
2013-07-18 14:32                       ` J. Bruce Fields
2013-07-18 16:07                       ` Sarah Sharp
2013-07-18 16:16                         ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-18 17:39                         ` Felipe Contreras
2013-07-19  9:22                         ` mistakes in code vs. maintainer flow mistakes (was: [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review) Ingo Molnar
2013-07-19 10:03                           ` Ingo Molnar
2013-07-19 12:16                           ` Kurt H Maier
2013-07-19 19:01                           ` Sarah Sharp
2013-07-19 19:16                             ` Martin Steigerwald
2013-07-19 19:17                             ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-19 20:03                             ` Kurt H Maier
2013-07-22 10:55                             ` Ingo Molnar
2013-07-23  1:07                             ` mistakes in code vs. maintainer flow mistakes Li Zefan
2013-07-23  1:16                               ` Joe Perches
2013-07-22 11:04                           ` mistakes in code vs. maintainer flow mistakes (was: [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review) Ingo Molnar
2013-07-16 14:30                   ` [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review Geert Uytterhoeven
2013-07-16 15:00                     ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-16 15:09                     ` Kees Cook
2013-07-16 15:27                       ` Darren Hart
2013-07-17 18:14                 ` open conflicts vs. hidden conflicts (was: [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review) Ingo Molnar
2013-07-17 22:42                   ` NeilBrown
2013-07-18  9:32                     ` Ingo Molnar
2013-07-18  0:42                 ` [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review Thomas Gleixner
2013-07-18  3:16                   ` CAI Qian
2013-07-18  3:47                     ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-18  4:01                       ` CAI Qian
2013-07-18  5:03                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-07-18  6:06                           ` CAI Qian
2013-07-18 10:21                             ` Ingo Molnar
2013-07-18 11:35                         ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-18 13:23                         ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-07-18 13:30                           ` Maybe it's time to shut this thread down (Was: Re: [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review) Theodore Ts'o
2013-07-18 15:54                             ` Sarah Sharp
2013-07-20 21:35                               ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] " Daniel Phillips
2013-07-20 21:35                                 ` Daniel Phillips
2013-07-22 21:02                                 ` Luck, Tony
2013-07-22 21:02                                   ` Luck, Tony
2013-07-22 21:29                                   ` Daniel Phillips
2013-07-22 21:29                                     ` Daniel Phillips
2013-07-19 21:44                             ` Sarah Sharp
2013-07-22 16:45                               ` Kurt H Maier
2013-07-18  4:15                       ` [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review CAI Qian
2013-07-18 15:48                   ` Sarah Sharp
2013-07-19 10:35                     ` Ingo Molnar
2013-07-24 10:43                 ` Florian Holz
2013-07-16 14:45               ` Alex Elder
2013-07-15 19:17             ` Willy Tarreau
2013-07-15 19:23               ` Linus Torvalds
2013-07-15 19:39                 ` Willy Tarreau
2013-07-15 22:50                 ` Raymond Jennings
2013-07-16  4:52                 ` Rusty Russell
2013-07-16 21:08                   ` Sarah Sharp
2013-07-16 21:23                     ` Linus Torvalds
2013-07-16 21:58                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2013-07-16 22:12                         ` Linus Torvalds
2013-07-17  5:22                           ` Sarah Sharp
2013-07-19 11:10                             ` Ingo Molnar
2013-07-16 21:27                     ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-16 22:11                     ` Willy Tarreau
2013-07-17  1:02                     ` Rusty Russell [this message]
2013-07-17  1:37                       ` Linus Torvalds
2013-07-17  1:54                         ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-17  3:28                         ` Darren Hart
2013-07-15 22:40               ` NeilBrown
2013-07-16  6:13                 ` Willy Tarreau
2013-07-16 15:40                   ` Darren Hart
2013-07-16 18:18                     ` Willy Tarreau
2013-07-16  2:44             ` Li Zefan
2013-07-15 19:05           ` J. Bruce Fields
2013-07-15 19:19             ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-15 23:42               ` NeilBrown
2013-07-15 23:50                 ` Joe Perches
2013-07-16  1:54                   ` NeilBrown
2013-07-16  2:01                     ` Joe Perches
2013-07-21  4:15                       ` Rob Landley
2013-07-17  7:01                   ` CAI Qian
2013-07-17  8:39           ` Janne Karhunen
2013-07-15 18:22   ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-15 17:33 ` Darren Hart
2013-07-15 19:04 ` Rob Landley
2013-07-19 11:25   ` Ingo Molnar
2013-07-23  8:26 ` Rogelio Serrano
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2013-07-23  1:42 Regina Obe
2013-07-23  3:43 ` Mike Galbraith
2013-07-23  4:16   ` Regina Obe
2013-07-23  4:49   ` Regina Obe
2013-07-18  3:50 George Spelvin
2013-07-11 22:01 Greg Kroah-Hartman
2013-07-11 22:14 ` Josh Boyer
2013-07-14 22:54   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2013-07-11 22:29 ` Dave Jones
2013-07-11 22:44   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2013-07-12  1:51     ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-12 14:15     ` Guenter Roeck
2013-07-12 15:22       ` Linus Torvalds
2013-07-12 15:47         ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-12 15:55           ` Linus Torvalds
2013-07-12 16:17             ` Ingo Molnar
2013-07-12 16:35               ` Josh Boyer
2013-07-12 16:36                 ` Josh Boyer
2013-07-12 17:05                 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2013-07-14 22:40                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2013-07-12 16:48             ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-12 17:31         ` Guenter Roeck
2013-07-12 17:50           ` Linus Torvalds
2013-07-12 18:11             ` Guenter Roeck
2013-07-12 19:35               ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-07-12 19:49                 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-12 19:55                   ` Willy Tarreau
2013-07-12 20:19                   ` Dave Jones
2013-07-12 20:28                     ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-12 20:31                       ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-12 21:19                       ` Justin M. Forbes
2013-07-13  0:47                       ` Jochen Striepe
2013-07-13 11:11                         ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-13 15:10                           ` Dave Jones
2013-07-13 15:54                             ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-12 19:50             ` Willy Tarreau
2013-07-12 20:47               ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-07-12 21:02                 ` Guenter Roeck
2013-07-13  6:22               ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2013-07-13  6:36                 ` Willy Tarreau
2013-07-13  6:48                   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2013-07-13  7:12                     ` Willy Tarreau
2013-07-15  4:12                       ` Li Zefan
2013-07-15  4:43                         ` Willy Tarreau
2013-07-13 11:42                     ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-07-13 18:27                       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2013-07-14  2:22                         ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-07-14  3:51                           ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2013-07-14  5:24                             ` Guenter Roeck
2013-07-14 20:31                               ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2013-07-13  6:43                 ` Guenter Roeck
2013-07-13  6:58                   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2013-07-14 23:52             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2013-07-15  1:40               ` Linus Torvalds
2013-07-15  2:08                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2013-07-14 22:58     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2013-07-12 17:20 ` Shuah Khan
2013-07-12 17:29   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2013-07-13  4:14 ` Satoru Takeuchi
2013-07-14 23:06 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt

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