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From: "Toke Høiland-Jørgensen" <toke@redhat.com>
To: Johannes Berg <johannes@sipsolutions.net>, Kan Yan <kyan@google.com>
Cc: linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org,
	make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net, ath10k@lists.infradead.org,
	John Crispin <john@phrozen.org>,
	Lorenzo Bianconi <lorenzo@kernel.org>,
	Felix Fietkau <nbd@nbd.name>,
	Rajkumar Manoharan <rmanohar@codeaurora.org>,
	Kevin Hayes <kevinhayes@google.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 1/4] mac80211: Rearrange ieee80211_tx_info to make room for tx_time_est
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2019 16:01:09 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87d0eudufu.fsf@toke.dk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <9fc60b546b54b40357264d67536733251cf39ebe.camel@sipsolutions.net>

Johannes Berg <johannes@sipsolutions.net> writes:

> On Fri, 2019-10-18 at 15:31 +0200, Toke Høiland-Jørgensen wrote:
>
>> Well, let's try to do the actual math... A full-size (1538 bytes) packet
>> takes ~2050 microseconds to transmit at 6 Mbps. Adding in overhead, it's
>> certainly still less that 4096 us, so 12 bits is plenty.
>
> What about A-MSDUs? But I guess maximum continous transmissions are at
> most 4ms anyway, so a single packet should never be longer.

Ah yeah, those could be a bit bigger, but yeah, 4ms should at least be
enough.

>> That leaves
>> four bits for the ACK status ID if we just split the u16; if we only
>> ever have "a handful", that should be enough, no?
>
> It's how many are in flight at a time, 16 doesn't seem likely to happen,
> but I don't really know what applications are doing with it now.
> Probably only wpa_s for the EAPOL TX status.

Right. Well in that case, let's try it. As long as we fail in a
reasonable way, we can just see if we run into anything that breaks? I
guess in this case that means rejecting requests from userspace if we
run out of IDs rather than silently wrapping and returning wrong data :)

>> We could also split 5/11. That would support up to 32 ACK IDs, and we
>> can just truncate the airtime at 2048 us, which is not a big deal I'd
>> say.
>
> We can also play with the units of the airtime, e.g. making that a
> multiple of 2 or 4 us? Seems unlikely to matter much?

Sure, that's a good point! Increments of 4us means we can fit 4ms is 10
bits, leaving plenty of space for ACK IDs (hopefully).

I'll rework the series to use that instead :)

-Toke


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From: "Toke Høiland-Jørgensen" <toke@redhat.com>
To: Johannes Berg <johannes@sipsolutions.net>, Kan Yan <kyan@google.com>
Cc: Rajkumar Manoharan <rmanohar@codeaurora.org>,
	Kevin Hayes <kevinhayes@google.com>,
	make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net,
	linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org, ath10k@lists.infradead.org,
	John Crispin <john@phrozen.org>,
	Lorenzo Bianconi <lorenzo@kernel.org>,
	Felix Fietkau <nbd@nbd.name>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 1/4] mac80211: Rearrange ieee80211_tx_info to make room for tx_time_est
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2019 16:01:09 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87d0eudufu.fsf@toke.dk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <9fc60b546b54b40357264d67536733251cf39ebe.camel@sipsolutions.net>

Johannes Berg <johannes@sipsolutions.net> writes:

> On Fri, 2019-10-18 at 15:31 +0200, Toke Høiland-Jørgensen wrote:
>
>> Well, let's try to do the actual math... A full-size (1538 bytes) packet
>> takes ~2050 microseconds to transmit at 6 Mbps. Adding in overhead, it's
>> certainly still less that 4096 us, so 12 bits is plenty.
>
> What about A-MSDUs? But I guess maximum continous transmissions are at
> most 4ms anyway, so a single packet should never be longer.

Ah yeah, those could be a bit bigger, but yeah, 4ms should at least be
enough.

>> That leaves
>> four bits for the ACK status ID if we just split the u16; if we only
>> ever have "a handful", that should be enough, no?
>
> It's how many are in flight at a time, 16 doesn't seem likely to happen,
> but I don't really know what applications are doing with it now.
> Probably only wpa_s for the EAPOL TX status.

Right. Well in that case, let's try it. As long as we fail in a
reasonable way, we can just see if we run into anything that breaks? I
guess in this case that means rejecting requests from userspace if we
run out of IDs rather than silently wrapping and returning wrong data :)

>> We could also split 5/11. That would support up to 32 ACK IDs, and we
>> can just truncate the airtime at 2048 us, which is not a big deal I'd
>> say.
>
> We can also play with the units of the airtime, e.g. making that a
> multiple of 2 or 4 us? Seems unlikely to matter much?

Sure, that's a good point! Increments of 4us means we can fit 4ms is 10
bits, leaving plenty of space for ACK IDs (hopefully).

I'll rework the series to use that instead :)

-Toke


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  reply	other threads:[~2019-10-18 14:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 48+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-10-15 17:18 [PATCH v2 0/4] Add Airtime Queue Limits (AQL) to mac80211 Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2019-10-15 17:18 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2019-10-15 17:18 ` [PATCH v2 1/4] mac80211: Rearrange ieee80211_tx_info to make room for tx_time_est Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2019-10-15 17:18   ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2019-10-18  0:50   ` Kan Yan
2019-10-18  0:50     ` Kan Yan
2019-10-18 10:15     ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2019-10-18 10:15       ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2019-10-18 12:21       ` Johannes Berg
2019-10-18 12:21         ` Johannes Berg
2019-10-18 13:31         ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2019-10-18 13:31           ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2019-10-18 13:48           ` Johannes Berg
2019-10-18 13:48             ` Johannes Berg
2019-10-18 14:01             ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen [this message]
2019-10-18 14:01               ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2019-10-18 14:07               ` Johannes Berg
2019-10-18 14:07                 ` Johannes Berg
2019-10-18 14:22                 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2019-10-18 14:22                   ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2019-10-18 14:14               ` Johannes Berg
2019-10-18 14:14                 ` Johannes Berg
2019-10-18 14:30                 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2019-10-18 14:30                   ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2019-10-18 12:35       ` Johannes Berg
2019-10-18 12:35         ` Johannes Berg
2019-10-18 13:01         ` Ben Greear
2019-10-18 13:01           ` Ben Greear
2019-10-15 17:18 ` [PATCH v2 2/4] mac80211: Import airtime calculation code from mt76 Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2019-10-15 17:18   ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2019-10-15 17:19 ` [PATCH v2 3/4] mac80211: Implement Airtime-based Queue Limit (AQL) Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2019-10-15 17:19   ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2019-10-15 17:19 ` [PATCH v2 4/4] mac80211: Use Airtime-based Queue Limits (AQL) on packet dequeue Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2019-10-15 17:19   ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2019-10-17  0:33   ` Kan Yan
2019-10-17  0:33     ` Kan Yan
2019-10-17  9:44     ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2019-10-17  9:44       ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2019-10-17  9:57       ` [Make-wifi-fast] " Sebastian Moeller
2019-10-17  9:57         ` Sebastian Moeller
2019-10-17 10:24         ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2019-10-17 10:24           ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2019-10-17 10:25           ` Sebastian Moeller
2019-10-17 10:25             ` Sebastian Moeller
2019-10-18  1:11             ` Kan Yan
2019-10-18  1:11               ` Kan Yan
2019-10-18 14:15               ` Johannes Berg
2019-10-18 14:15                 ` Johannes Berg

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