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From: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>, Kai Huang <kai.huang@intel.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, seanjc@google.com, pbonzini@redhat.com,
	dave.hansen@intel.com, dan.j.williams@intel.com,
	rafael.j.wysocki@intel.com, kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com,
	ying.huang@intel.com, reinette.chatre@intel.com,
	len.brown@intel.com, tony.luck@intel.com, ak@linux.intel.com,
	isaku.yamahata@intel.com, chao.gao@intel.com,
	sathyanarayanan.kuppuswamy@linux.intel.com, bagasdotme@gmail.com,
	sagis@google.com, imammedo@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v7 04/20] x86/virt/tdx: Add skeleton to initialize TDX on demand
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2022 11:31:02 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87edtvgu1l.ffs@tglx> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Y3yQKDZFC8+oCyqK@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net>

On Tue, Nov 22 2022 at 10:02, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 21, 2022 at 01:26:26PM +1300, Kai Huang wrote:
>> +	cpus_read_unlock();
>> +
>> +	return ret;
>> +}
>
> Uhm.. so if we've offlined all the SMT siblings because of some
> speculation fail or other, this TDX thing will fail to initialize?
>
> Because as I understand it; this TDX initialization happens some random
> time after boot, when the first (TDX using) KVM instance gets created,
> long after the speculation mitigations are enforced.

Correct. Aside of that it's completely unclear from the changelog why
TDX needs to run the seamcall on _all_ present CPUs and why it cannot
handle CPU being hotplugged later.

It's pretty much obvious that a TDX guest can only run on CPUs where
the seam module has been initialized, but where does the requirement
come from that _ALL_ CPUs must be initialized and _ALL_ CPUs must be
able to run TDX guests?

I just went and read through the documentation again.

  "1. After loading the Intel TDX module, the host VMM should call the
      TDH.SYS.INIT function to globally initialize the module.

   2. The host VMM should then call the TDH.SYS.LP.INIT function on each
      logical processor. TDH.SYS.LP.INIT is intended to initialize the
      module within the scope of the Logical Processor (LP)."

This clearly tells me, that:

  1) TDX must be globally initialized (once)

  2) TDX must be initialized on each logical processor on which TDX
     root/non-root operation should be executed

But it does not define any requirement for doing this on all logical
processors and for preventing physical hotplug (Neither for CPUs nor for
memory).

Nothing in the TDX specs and docs mentions physical hotplug or a
requirement for invoking seamcall on the world.

Thanks,

        tglx



  reply	other threads:[~2022-11-22 10:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 163+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-11-21  0:26 [PATCH v7 00/20] TDX host kernel support Kai Huang
2022-11-21  0:26 ` [PATCH v7 01/20] x86/tdx: Define TDX supported page sizes as macros Kai Huang
2022-11-21  2:52   ` Sathyanarayanan Kuppuswamy
2022-11-21  9:15     ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-21 17:23       ` Sathyanarayanan Kuppuswamy
2022-11-21 18:12     ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-21 23:48   ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-22  0:01     ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-21  0:26 ` [PATCH v7 02/20] x86/virt/tdx: Detect TDX during kernel boot Kai Huang
2022-11-21  3:07   ` Sathyanarayanan Kuppuswamy
2022-11-21  9:37     ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-21 23:57       ` Sathyanarayanan Kuppuswamy
2022-11-22  0:10   ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-22 11:28     ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-22 16:50       ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-22 23:21         ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-21  0:26 ` [PATCH v7 03/20] x86/virt/tdx: Disable TDX if X2APIC is not enabled Kai Huang
2022-11-21  3:51   ` Sathyanarayanan Kuppuswamy
2022-11-21  9:44     ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-21 22:00       ` Sathyanarayanan Kuppuswamy
2022-11-21 23:40         ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-21 23:46   ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-22  0:30     ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-22  0:44       ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-22  0:58         ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-21  0:26 ` [PATCH v7 04/20] x86/virt/tdx: Add skeleton to initialize TDX on demand Kai Huang
2022-11-22  9:02   ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-11-22 10:31     ` Thomas Gleixner [this message]
2022-11-22 15:35       ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-22 20:03         ` Thomas Gleixner
2022-11-22 20:11           ` Sean Christopherson
2022-11-23  0:30           ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-23  1:12             ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-23 11:05             ` Thomas Gleixner
2022-11-23 12:22               ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-22 18:05   ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-23 10:18     ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-23 16:58       ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-23 21:58         ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-21  0:26 ` [PATCH v7 05/20] x86/virt/tdx: Implement functions to make SEAMCALL Kai Huang
2022-11-22  9:06   ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-11-23  8:53     ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-22 18:20   ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-23 10:43     ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-21  0:26 ` [PATCH v7 06/20] x86/virt/tdx: Shut down TDX module in case of error Kai Huang
2022-11-22  9:10   ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-11-22  9:13   ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-11-22 15:14     ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-22 19:13       ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-11-22 19:24         ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-22 19:33           ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-11-23  1:14             ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-29 21:40             ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-30 11:09               ` Thomas Gleixner
2022-11-23  0:58           ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-23  1:04             ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-23  1:22               ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-23 16:20                 ` Sean Christopherson
2022-11-23 16:41                   ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-23 17:37                     ` Sean Christopherson
2022-11-23 18:18                       ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-23 19:03                         ` Sean Christopherson
2022-11-22  9:20   ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-11-22 15:06     ` Thomas Gleixner
2022-11-22 19:06       ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-11-22 19:31         ` Sean Christopherson
2022-11-23  9:39           ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-22 15:20     ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-22 16:52       ` Thomas Gleixner
2022-11-22 18:57   ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-22 19:14     ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-11-23  1:24       ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-21  0:26 ` [PATCH v7 07/20] x86/virt/tdx: Do TDX module global initialization Kai Huang
2022-11-22 19:14   ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-23 11:45     ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-21  0:26 ` [PATCH v7 08/20] x86/virt/tdx: Do logical-cpu scope TDX module initialization Kai Huang
2022-11-21  0:26 ` [PATCH v7 09/20] x86/virt/tdx: Get information about TDX module and TDX-capable memory Kai Huang
2022-11-22 23:39   ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-23 11:40     ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-23 16:44       ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-23 22:53         ` Huang, Kai
2022-12-02 11:19           ` Huang, Kai
2022-12-02 17:25             ` Dave Hansen
2022-12-02 21:57               ` Huang, Kai
2022-12-02 11:11     ` Huang, Kai
2022-12-02 17:06       ` Dave Hansen
2022-12-02 21:56         ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-21  0:26 ` [PATCH v7 10/20] x86/virt/tdx: Use all system memory when initializing TDX module as TDX memory Kai Huang
2022-11-21  5:37   ` Huang, Ying
2022-11-21  9:09     ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-22  1:54       ` Huang, Ying
2022-11-22  9:16         ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-24  0:47           ` Huang, Ying
2022-11-22 10:10   ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-11-22 11:40     ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-23  0:21   ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-23  9:29     ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-11-24  1:04     ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-24  1:22       ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-24  2:27         ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-24  1:50   ` Dan Williams
2022-11-24  9:06     ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-25  9:28       ` David Hildenbrand
2022-11-28  8:38         ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-28  8:43           ` David Hildenbrand
2022-11-28  9:21             ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-28  9:26               ` David Hildenbrand
2022-11-28  9:50                 ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-24  9:26     ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-11-24 10:02       ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-30 22:26         ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-21  0:26 ` [PATCH v7 11/20] x86/virt/tdx: Add placeholder to construct TDMRs to cover all TDX memory regions Kai Huang
2022-11-23 22:17   ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-24  9:51     ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-24 12:02     ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-28 15:59       ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-28 22:13         ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-28 22:19           ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-28 22:50             ` Huang, Kai
2022-12-07 11:47               ` Huang, Kai
2022-12-08 12:56                 ` Huang, Kai
2022-12-08 14:58                   ` Dave Hansen
2022-12-08 23:29                     ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-21  0:26 ` [PATCH v7 12/20] x86/virt/tdx: Create " Kai Huang
2022-11-23 22:41   ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-24 11:29     ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-21  0:26 ` [PATCH v7 13/20] x86/virt/tdx: Allocate and set up PAMTs for TDMRs Kai Huang
2022-11-23 22:57   ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-24 11:46     ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-28 16:39       ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-28 22:48         ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-28 22:56           ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-28 23:14             ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-21  0:26 ` [PATCH v7 14/20] x86/virt/tdx: Set up reserved areas for all TDMRs Kai Huang
2022-11-23 23:39   ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-28  9:14     ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-28 13:18       ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-28 22:24         ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-28 22:58           ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-28 23:10             ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-21  0:26 ` [PATCH v7 15/20] x86/virt/tdx: Reserve TDX module global KeyID Kai Huang
2022-11-23 23:40   ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-24 22:39     ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-21  0:26 ` [PATCH v7 16/20] x86/virt/tdx: Configure TDX module with TDMRs and " Kai Huang
2022-11-23 23:56   ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-25  0:59     ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-25  1:18       ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-25  1:44         ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-21  0:26 ` [PATCH v7 17/20] x86/virt/tdx: Configure global KeyID on all packages Kai Huang
2022-11-24  0:28   ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-24 22:28     ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-25  0:08       ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-30  3:35   ` Binbin Wu
2022-11-30  8:34     ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-30 14:04       ` kirill.shutemov
2022-11-30 15:13       ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-30 20:17         ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-30 17:37   ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-21  0:26 ` [PATCH v7 18/20] x86/virt/tdx: Initialize all TDMRs Kai Huang
2022-11-24  0:42   ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-25  2:27     ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-21  0:26 ` [PATCH v7 19/20] x86/virt/tdx: Flush cache in kexec() when TDX is enabled Kai Huang
2022-11-21  0:26 ` [PATCH v7 20/20] Documentation/x86: Add documentation for TDX host support Kai Huang

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