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From: Cornelia Huck <cohuck@redhat.com>
To: Christian Schoenebeck <qemu_oss@crudebyte.com>
Cc: virtio-comment@lists.oasis-open.org,
	Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com>, Greg Kurz <groug@kaod.org>
Subject: Re: [virtio-comment] Re: [PATCH 1/2] Add VIRTIO_RING_F_INDIRECT_SIZE
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2021 11:54:18 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87ee63382t.fsf@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2693456.ZlcpblOrAx@silver>

On Tue, Dec 14 2021, Christian Schoenebeck <qemu_oss@crudebyte.com> wrote:

> On Dienstag, 14. Dezember 2021 17:59:51 CET Cornelia Huck wrote:
>> On Tue, Dec 14 2021, Christian Schoenebeck <qemu_oss@crudebyte.com> wrote:
>> > This new feature flag allows to decouple the maximum amount of
>> > descriptors in indirect descriptor tables from the Queue Size.
>> > 
>> > Fixes: https://github.com/oasis-tcs/virtio-spec/issues/122
>> > Signed-off-by: Christian Schoenebeck <qemu_oss@crudebyte.com>
>> > ---
>> > 
>> >  content.tex    | 21 +++++++++++++++++++++
>> >  split-ring.tex |  2 +-
>> >  2 files changed, 22 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-)
>> > 
>> > diff --git a/content.tex b/content.tex
>> > index 5d112af..0aa4842 100644
>> > --- a/content.tex
>> > +++ b/content.tex
>> > @@ -6693,6 +6693,27 @@ \chapter{Reserved Feature Bits}\label{sec:Reserved
>> > Feature Bits}> 
>> >    transport specific.
>> >    For more details about driver notifications over PCI see
>> >    \ref{sec:Virtio Transport Options / Virtio Over PCI Bus / PCI-specific
>> >    Initialization And Device Operation / Available Buffer Notifications}.> 
>> > +  \item[VIRTIO_RING_F_INDIRECT_SIZE(40)] This feature indicates that the
>> > +  maximum amount of descriptors in indirect descriptor tables is
>> > independent +  from the Queue Size.
>> > +
>> > +  If this feature bit is not negotiated, then a driver MUST NOT create a
>> 
>> "MUST NOT" does only belong into normative sections... maybe you can
>> reword the last sentence in this paragraph a bit and move the "MUST NOT"
>> part into a normative section?
>
> I lack creativity in this case. Suggestions appreciated. On doubt I would just 
> delete the entire paragraph here ("If this feature ... transmitted per vring 
> slot.").

Maybe

"Without this feature bit, the queue size limits the length of the
descriptor chain, including indirect descriptor tables, i.e. both the
maximum amound of slots in the vring and the actual bulk data size
transmitted per vring slot."

>
>> > +  descriptor chain longer than the Queue Size, which then also applies to
>> > +  indirect descriptor tables as in \ref{sec:Basic Facilities of a Virtio
>> > +  Device / Virtqueues / The Virtqueue Descriptor Table / Indirect
>> > +  Descriptors}. Which means without this feature, the Queue Size limits
>> > +  both the maximum amount of slots in the vring, as well as the actual
>> > +  bulk data size being transmitted per vring slot.
>> > +
>> > +  With this feature enabled, the Queue Size only limits the maximum
>> > amount
>> > +  of slots in the vring, but does not limit the actual bulk data size
>> > +  being transmitted when indirect descriptors are used. Decoupling these
>> > +  two configuration parameters this way not only allows much larger bulk
>> > data +  being transferred per vring slot, but also avoids complicated
>> > synchronization +  mechanisms if the device only supports a very small
>> > amount of vring slots. Due +  to the 16-bit size of a descriptor's "next"
>> > field there is still an absolute +  limit of $2^{16}$ descriptors per
>> > indirect descriptor table.

I think the second paragraph can stay like this.

>> > +
>> > 
>> >  \end{description}
>> >  
>> >  \drivernormative{\section}{Reserved Feature Bits}{Reserved Feature Bits}
>> > 
>> > diff --git a/split-ring.tex b/split-ring.tex
>> > index bfef62d..ae2aeb8 100644
>> > --- a/split-ring.tex
>> > +++ b/split-ring.tex
>> > @@ -269,7 +269,7 @@ \subsubsection{Indirect Descriptors}\label{sec:Basic
>> > Facilities of a Virtio Devi> 
>> >  one table per descriptor).
>> >  
>> >  A driver MUST NOT create a descriptor chain longer than the Queue Size of
>> > 
>> > -the device.
>> > +the device unless VIRTIO_RING_F_INDIRECT_SIZE has been negotiated.
>> 
>> This might already be enough of a normative statement, though.
>> 
>> >  A driver MUST NOT set both VIRTQ_DESC_F_INDIRECT and VIRTQ_DESC_F_NEXT
>> >  in \field{flags}.


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  reply	other threads:[~2021-12-23 10:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-12-14 15:13 [PATCH 0/2] Add VIRTIO_RING_F_INDIRECT_SIZE and queue_indirect_size Christian Schoenebeck
2021-12-14 15:13 ` [PATCH 1/2] Add VIRTIO_RING_F_INDIRECT_SIZE Christian Schoenebeck
2021-12-14 16:59   ` [virtio-comment] " Cornelia Huck
2021-12-14 18:28     ` Christian Schoenebeck
2021-12-23 10:54       ` Cornelia Huck [this message]
2022-01-24 13:08   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2022-01-24 13:14     ` [virtio-comment] " Cornelia Huck
2022-01-24 14:24       ` Christian Schoenebeck
2021-12-14 15:13 ` [PATCH 2/2] Add common configuration field "queue_indirect_size" Christian Schoenebeck
2021-12-14 17:20   ` [virtio-comment] " Cornelia Huck
2021-12-15 13:59     ` Christian Schoenebeck
2021-12-23 11:03       ` [virtio-comment] " Cornelia Huck
2021-12-29 14:16         ` Christian Schoenebeck
2022-01-03 13:21           ` [virtio-comment] " Cornelia Huck
2022-01-05 13:52             ` Christian Schoenebeck
2022-01-24 13:39               ` [virtio-comment] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2022-01-24 14:31                 ` Christian Schoenebeck
2022-01-24 16:41                   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2022-01-25 19:05                     ` Christian Schoenebeck
2022-01-26 10:01                       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2022-01-24 13:53   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2022-02-19 16:36     ` Christian Schoenebeck
2022-02-21 10:33       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2022-02-21 13:28         ` Christian Schoenebeck
2022-01-24 13:54 ` [PATCH 0/2] Add VIRTIO_RING_F_INDIRECT_SIZE and queue_indirect_size Stefan Hajnoczi

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