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From: "Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason" <avarab@gmail.com>
To: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
Cc: Jonathan Tan <jonathantanmy@google.com>,
	git@vger.kernel.org, Jeff King <peff@peff.net>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v7 0/3] Cloning with remote unborn HEAD
Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2021 22:15:12 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87eehucj33.fsf@evledraar.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <xmqq5z372ihm.fsf@gitster.c.googlers.com>


On Fri, Feb 05 2021, Junio C Hamano wrote:

> Jonathan Tan <jonathantanmy@google.com> writes:
>
>> For what it's worth, here's v7 with advertise/allow/ignore and by
>> default, advertise. I think that some server operators will have use for
>> this feature, and people who want to disable it for whatever reason can
>> still do so. The main disadvantage is complexity - the server knob that
>> server administrators will need to control (but between a simpler
>> allow/ignore knob and a more complicated advertise/allow/ignore knob, I
>> think we might as well go for the slightly more complex one) and
>> complexity in the code (but now that is constrained to one function and
>> a few global variables).
>>
>> As you can see from the range-diff, not much has changed from v6.
>>
>> I've also included Junio's suggestion of tightening the promise made by
>> the server (when the client says "unborn").
>
> This looks reasonable overall, especially with the feature turned on
> by default, we'd hopefully get reasonable exposure from the get-go.
>
> Let's mark the topic to be merged to 'next' soonish, unless people
> object.

FWIW I'm still unclear on re [1] whether Jonathan thinks the semantics
of this shouldn't be documented for <reasons>, or whether he just
doesn't want to submit the patch and I should, or something else.

I still think this "remote as config source" without actually explaining
that it is is a very glaring hole in the docs[2].

And in [3] I noted that we introduced the word "branches" into
protocol-v2.txt for the first time without defining what it means
(presumably just refs/heads/*, but then let's say so...). There was a
reply promising clarification, but I note that v7 still just says
"branches".

To be clear I'm perfectly fine with a note in a CL to the effect of "had
X feedback on last version, Ævar said Y and Z both of which I think are
stupid ideas, so I'm not doing them" :)

The only thing I mind is being left hanging to the effect of not knowing
if a diff you proposed is considered bad by the primary author, or if I
should just submit it myself as a patch on top or whatever.

It also saves other people following along with reviews time, since they
can read later cover letters and get a brief summary of some
side-discussion in an earlier round without diving into it themselves.

Me too honestly, sometimes I come back to these threads and completely
forgot what I had to say in earlier rounds, and when I try to find out
it's hit-and-miss whether I agree with much/any of it :)





1. https://lore.kernel.org/git/87h7n3p363.fsf@evledraar.gmail.com/
2. https://lore.kernel.org/git/878s8apthr.fsf@evledraar.gmail.com/
3. https://lore.kernel.org/git/87k0rzp3qx.fsf@evledraar.gmail.com/

  parent reply	other threads:[~2021-02-05 21:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 109+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-12-08  1:31 Cloning empty repository uses locally configured default branch name Jonathan Tan
2020-12-08  2:16 ` Junio C Hamano
2020-12-08  2:32   ` brian m. carlson
2020-12-08 18:55   ` Jonathan Tan
2020-12-08 21:00     ` Junio C Hamano
2020-12-08 15:58 ` Jeff King
2020-12-08 20:06   ` Jonathan Tan
2020-12-08 21:15     ` Jeff King
2020-12-11 21:05 ` [PATCH] clone: in protocol v2, use remote's default branch Jonathan Tan
2020-12-11 23:41   ` Junio C Hamano
2020-12-14 12:38   ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2020-12-14 15:51     ` Felipe Contreras
2020-12-14 16:30     ` Junio C Hamano
2020-12-15  1:41       ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2020-12-15  2:22         ` Junio C Hamano
2020-12-15  2:38         ` Jeff King
2020-12-15  2:55           ` Junio C Hamano
2020-12-15  4:36             ` Jeff King
2020-12-16  3:09               ` Junio C Hamano
2020-12-16 18:39                 ` Jeff King
2020-12-16 20:56                   ` Junio C Hamano
2020-12-18  6:19                     ` Jeff King
2020-12-15  3:22         ` Felipe Contreras
2020-12-14 19:25     ` Jonathan Tan
2020-12-14 19:42       ` Felipe Contreras
2020-12-15  1:27   ` Jeff King
2020-12-15 19:10     ` Jonathan Tan
2020-12-16  2:07   ` [PATCH v2 0/3] Cloning with remote unborn HEAD Jonathan Tan
2020-12-16  2:07     ` [PATCH v2 1/3] ls-refs: report unborn targets of symrefs Jonathan Tan
2020-12-16  6:16       ` Junio C Hamano
2020-12-16 23:49         ` Jonathan Tan
2020-12-16 18:23       ` Jeff King
2020-12-16 23:54         ` Jonathan Tan
2020-12-17  1:32           ` Junio C Hamano
2020-12-18  6:16             ` Jeff King
2020-12-16  2:07     ` [PATCH v2 2/3] connect, transport: add no-op arg for future patch Jonathan Tan
2020-12-16  6:20       ` Junio C Hamano
2020-12-16  2:07     ` [PATCH v2 3/3] clone: respect remote unborn HEAD Jonathan Tan
2020-12-21 22:30   ` [PATCH v3 0/3] Cloning with " Jonathan Tan
2020-12-21 22:30     ` [PATCH v3 1/3] ls-refs: report unborn targets of symrefs Jonathan Tan
2020-12-21 22:31     ` [PATCH v3 2/3] connect, transport: add no-op arg for future patch Jonathan Tan
2020-12-21 22:31     ` [PATCH v3 3/3] clone: respect remote unborn HEAD Jonathan Tan
2020-12-21 23:48     ` [PATCH v3 0/3] Cloning with " Junio C Hamano
2021-01-21 20:14     ` Jeff King
2020-12-22 21:54   ` [PATCH v4 " Jonathan Tan
2020-12-22 21:54     ` [PATCH v4 1/3] ls-refs: report unborn targets of symrefs Jonathan Tan
2021-01-21 20:48       ` Jeff King
2021-01-26 18:13         ` Jonathan Tan
2021-01-26 23:16           ` Jeff King
2020-12-22 21:54     ` [PATCH v4 2/3] connect, transport: add no-op arg for future patch Jonathan Tan
2021-01-21 20:55       ` Jeff King
2021-01-26 18:16         ` Jonathan Tan
2020-12-22 21:54     ` [PATCH v4 3/3] clone: respect remote unborn HEAD Jonathan Tan
2021-01-21 21:02       ` Jeff King
2021-01-26 18:22         ` Jonathan Tan
2021-01-26 23:04           ` Jeff King
2021-01-28  5:50             ` Junio C Hamano
2020-12-22 22:06     ` [PATCH v4 0/3] Cloning with " Junio C Hamano
2021-01-26 18:55 ` [PATCH v5 " Jonathan Tan
2021-01-26 18:55   ` [PATCH v5 1/3] ls-refs: report unborn targets of symrefs Jonathan Tan
2021-01-26 21:38     ` Junio C Hamano
2021-01-26 23:03       ` Junio C Hamano
2021-01-30  3:55         ` Jonathan Tan
2021-01-26 23:20       ` Jeff King
2021-01-26 23:38         ` Junio C Hamano
2021-01-29 20:23       ` Jonathan Tan
2021-01-29 22:04         ` Junio C Hamano
2021-02-02  2:20           ` Jonathan Tan
2021-02-02  5:00             ` Junio C Hamano
2021-01-27  1:28     ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-01-30  4:04       ` Jonathan Tan
2021-01-26 18:55   ` [PATCH v5 2/3] connect, transport: encapsulate arg in struct Jonathan Tan
2021-01-26 21:54     ` Junio C Hamano
2021-01-30  4:06       ` Jonathan Tan
2021-01-26 18:55   ` [PATCH v5 3/3] clone: respect remote unborn HEAD Jonathan Tan
2021-01-26 22:24     ` Junio C Hamano
2021-01-30  4:27       ` Jonathan Tan
2021-01-27  1:11   ` [PATCH v5 0/3] Cloning with " Junio C Hamano
2021-01-27  4:25     ` Jeff King
2021-01-27  6:14       ` Junio C Hamano
2021-01-27  1:41   ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-01-30  4:41     ` Jonathan Tan
2021-01-30 11:13       ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-02-02  2:22       ` Jonathan Tan
2021-02-03 14:23         ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-02-05 22:28     ` Junio C Hamano
2021-02-02  2:14 ` [PATCH v6 " Jonathan Tan
2021-02-02  2:14   ` [PATCH v6 1/3] ls-refs: report unborn targets of symrefs Jonathan Tan
2021-02-02 16:55     ` Junio C Hamano
2021-02-02 18:34       ` Jonathan Tan
2021-02-02 22:17         ` Junio C Hamano
2021-02-03  1:04           ` Jonathan Tan
2021-02-02  2:15   ` [PATCH v6 2/3] connect, transport: encapsulate arg in struct Jonathan Tan
2021-02-02  2:15   ` [PATCH v6 3/3] clone: respect remote unborn HEAD Jonathan Tan
2021-02-05  4:58 ` [PATCH v7 0/3] Cloning with " Jonathan Tan
2021-02-05  4:58   ` [PATCH v7 1/3] ls-refs: report unborn targets of symrefs Jonathan Tan
2021-02-05 16:10     ` Jeff King
2021-02-05  4:58   ` [PATCH v7 2/3] connect, transport: encapsulate arg in struct Jonathan Tan
2021-02-05  4:58   ` [PATCH v7 3/3] clone: respect remote unborn HEAD Jonathan Tan
2021-02-05  5:25   ` [PATCH v7 0/3] Cloning with " Junio C Hamano
2021-02-05 16:15     ` Jeff King
2021-02-05 21:15     ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason [this message]
2021-02-05 23:07       ` Junio C Hamano
2021-02-05 20:48 ` [PATCH v8 " Jonathan Tan
2021-02-05 20:48   ` [PATCH v8 1/3] ls-refs: report unborn targets of symrefs Jonathan Tan
2021-02-05 20:48   ` [PATCH v8 2/3] connect, transport: encapsulate arg in struct Jonathan Tan
2021-02-05 20:48   ` [PATCH v8 3/3] clone: respect remote unborn HEAD Jonathan Tan
2021-02-06 18:51   ` [PATCH v8 0/3] Cloning with " Junio C Hamano
2021-02-08 22:28     ` Junio C Hamano

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