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From: ebiederm-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org (Eric W. Biederman)
To: Serge Hallyn <serge.hallyn-Z7WLFzj8eWMS+FvcfC7Uqw@public.gmane.org>
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Subject: Re: [Devel] Re: containers and cgroups mini-summit @ Linux Plumbers
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 12:38:16 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87ipdauxcn.fsf@xmission.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20120726181629.GB17824@serge-laptop> (Serge Hallyn's message of "Thu, 26 Jul 2012 13:16:29 -0500")

Serge Hallyn <serge.hallyn-Z7WLFzj8eWMS+FvcfC7Uqw@public.gmane.org> writes:
> (Sorry, please disregard my last email :)
>
> Yes, what we do now in ubuntu quantal is the bind mounts you mention,
> and only optionally (using a startup hook).
> Each container is brought up in say
> /sys/fs/cgroup/devices/lxc/container1/container1.real, and that dir is
> bind-mounted under /sys/fs/cgroup/devices in the guest.  The guest
> is not allowed to mount cgroup fs himself.
>
> It's certainly not ideal (and in cases where cgroup allows you to
> raise your own limits, worthless).  The 'fake cgroup root' has been
> mentioned before to address this.  Definately worth discussing.

It is going to be interesting to see how all of the unprivileged
operations work when the user-namespaces start allowing unprivileged
users to do things (3.7 timeframe I hope).

I can see it making things both easier and harder.  I would hope not
actually being root will make it easier to keep from raising your own
limits.

Running some operations as non-root will catch other places off guard
where people were definitely expecting nothing of the kind.

There are a couple of networking memory limits exposed through sysctl
that I don't expect we want everyone changing, that I need to figure out
how to separate out from the rest.  A concept that hasn't existed
before.

Eric

  reply	other threads:[~2012-07-26 19:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-07-11 21:41 containers and cgroups mini-summit @ Linux Plumbers Kir Kolyshkin
     [not found] ` <4FFDF321.4030103-GEFAQzZX7r8dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2012-07-12  3:47   ` Serge Hallyn
2012-07-13 15:09     ` Kir Kolyshkin
     [not found]       ` <50003A13.4000201-GEFAQzZX7r8dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2012-07-16 20:29         ` Serge Hallyn
2012-07-12 13:26   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2012-07-16 21:08   ` Dhaval Giani
2012-07-17  6:59   ` Balbir Singh
     [not found]     ` <CAKTCnzmhWZa=_+EE9rA63NuJf3kQ-bXNYStXmZXt8r2w-N02ag-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2012-07-18 10:36       ` James Bottomley
2012-07-17  7:26   ` Daniel Lezcano
2012-07-17  7:26     ` Daniel Lezcano
     [not found]     ` <50051390.7010109-QSEj5FYQhm4dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2012-07-25  8:48       ` Glauber Costa
2012-07-17 20:06   ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]     ` <20120717200606.GD24336-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-07-17 20:15       ` Paul Turner
2012-07-20 16:30   ` Johannes Weiner
2012-07-21  1:59   ` Kamezawa Hiroyuki
2012-07-25  8:55   ` Glauber Costa
     [not found]     ` <500FB473.3090606-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-07-25 10:00       ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]         ` <871uk0b1p4.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2012-07-25 10:00           ` Glauber Costa
     [not found]             ` <500FC3C9.4010005-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-07-25 10:02               ` [Devel] " Glauber Costa
     [not found]                 ` <500FC44C.1030606-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-07-25 11:16                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-07-26 11:16               ` Andrea Righi
2012-07-25 10:53   ` Glauber Costa
     [not found]     ` <500FD022.6000608-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-07-25 11:51       ` Serge Hallyn
2012-07-25 11:52         ` Glauber Costa
     [not found]           ` <500FDE1B.4090907-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-07-25 12:15             ` Serge Hallyn
2012-07-26  3:57       ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]         ` <877gtr6uo5.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2012-07-26  9:16           ` Glauber Costa
     [not found]             ` <50110AE6.2080701-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-07-26  9:26               ` [Devel] " Glauber Costa
     [not found]                 ` <50110D53.2090407-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-07-26 10:42                   ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                     ` <874nou6bx1.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2012-07-26 18:15                       ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                         ` <20120726181528.GA25660-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-07-26 19:19                           ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                             ` <87a9ymwcsv.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2012-07-26 19:44                               ` Tejun Heo
2012-07-26 18:16                       ` Serge Hallyn
2012-07-26 19:38                         ` Eric W. Biederman [this message]
2012-07-26 10:57               ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-07-26 18:09           ` Serge Hallyn
2012-08-02  8:37   ` Daniel Wagner
     [not found]     ` <501A3C48.6060607-kQCPcA+X3s7YtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org>
2012-08-02  8:37       ` Glauber Costa
     [not found]         ` <501A3C4D.1020101-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-08-02  9:42           ` Daniel Wagner

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