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From: Nicolai Stange <nstange@suse.de>
To: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>
Cc: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>,
	Nicolai Stange <nstange@suse.de>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	x86@kernel.org, Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@redhat.com>,
	Jiri Kosina <jikos@kernel.org>, Miroslav Benes <mbenes@suse.cz>,
	Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com>,
	Joe Lawrence <joe.lawrence@redhat.com>,
	Shuah Khan <shuah@kernel.org>,
	Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk <konrad.wilk@oracle.com>,
	Tim Chen <tim.c.chen@linux.intel.com>,
	Sebastian Andrzej Siewior <bigeasy@linutronix.de>,
	Mimi Zohar <zohar@linux.ibm.com>, Juergen Gross <jgross@suse.com>,
	Nick Desaulniers <ndesaulniers@google.com>,
	Nayna Jain <nayna@linux.ibm.com>,
	Masahiro Yamada <yamada.masahiro@socionext.com>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>, Joerg Roedel <jroedel@suse.de>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, live-patching@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/4] x86/thread_info: introduce ->ftrace_int3_stack member
Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2019 23:22:54 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87k1fdygcx.fsf@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190428135143.09d35bb6@oasis.local.home> (Steven Rostedt's message of "Sun, 28 Apr 2019 13:51:43 -0400")

Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org> writes:

> On Sun, 28 Apr 2019 10:41:10 -0700
> Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net> wrote:
>
>
>> > Note that at any given point
>> > in time, there can be at most four such call insn emulations pending:
>> > namely at most one per "process", "irq", "softirq" and "nmi" context.
>> >   
>> 
>> That’s quite an assumption. I think your list should also contain
>> exception, exceptions nested inside that exception, and machine
>> check, at the very least.  I’m also wondering why irq and softirq are
>> treated separately.

You're right, I missed the machine check case.


> 4 has usually been the context count we choose. But I guess in theory,
> if we get exceptions then I could potentially be more.

After having seen the static_call discussion, I'm in no way defending
this limited approach here, but out of curiosity: can the code between
the push onto the stack from ftrace_int3_handler() and the subsequent
pop from the stub actually trigger an (non-#MC) exception? There's an
iret inbetween, but that can fault only when returning to user space,
correct?


> As for irq vs softirq, an interrupt can preempt a softirq. Interrupts
> are enabled while softirqs are running. When sofirqs run, softirqs are
> disabled to prevent nested softirqs. But interrupts are enabled again,
> and another interrupt may come in while a softirq is executing.
>

Thanks,

Nicolai


-- 
SUSE Linux GmbH, GF: Felix Imendörffer, Jane Smithard, Graham Norton,
HRB 21284 (AG Nürnberg)

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: nstange at suse.de (Nicolai Stange)
Subject: [PATCH 1/4] x86/thread_info: introduce ->ftrace_int3_stack member
Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2019 23:22:54 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87k1fdygcx.fsf@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190428135143.09d35bb6@oasis.local.home> (Steven Rostedt's message of "Sun, 28 Apr 2019 13:51:43 -0400")

Steven Rostedt <rostedt at goodmis.org> writes:

> On Sun, 28 Apr 2019 10:41:10 -0700
> Andy Lutomirski <luto at amacapital.net> wrote:
>
>
>> > Note that at any given point
>> > in time, there can be at most four such call insn emulations pending:
>> > namely at most one per "process", "irq", "softirq" and "nmi" context.
>> >   
>> 
>> That’s quite an assumption. I think your list should also contain
>> exception, exceptions nested inside that exception, and machine
>> check, at the very least.  I’m also wondering why irq and softirq are
>> treated separately.

You're right, I missed the machine check case.


> 4 has usually been the context count we choose. But I guess in theory,
> if we get exceptions then I could potentially be more.

After having seen the static_call discussion, I'm in no way defending
this limited approach here, but out of curiosity: can the code between
the push onto the stack from ftrace_int3_handler() and the subsequent
pop from the stub actually trigger an (non-#MC) exception? There's an
iret inbetween, but that can fault only when returning to user space,
correct?


> As for irq vs softirq, an interrupt can preempt a softirq. Interrupts
> are enabled while softirqs are running. When sofirqs run, softirqs are
> disabled to prevent nested softirqs. But interrupts are enabled again,
> and another interrupt may come in while a softirq is executing.
>

Thanks,

Nicolai


-- 
SUSE Linux GmbH, GF: Felix Imendörffer, Jane Smithard, Graham Norton,
HRB 21284 (AG Nürnberg)

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: nstange@suse.de (Nicolai Stange)
Subject: [PATCH 1/4] x86/thread_info: introduce ->ftrace_int3_stack member
Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2019 23:22:54 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87k1fdygcx.fsf@suse.de> (raw)
Message-ID: <20190428212254.eYidGDvN3M7xXfssHbHedJp2CcOcBnL7R1OiS5jX2vQ@z> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190428135143.09d35bb6@oasis.local.home> (Steven Rostedt's message of "Sun, 28 Apr 2019 13:51:43 -0400")

Steven Rostedt <rostedt at goodmis.org> writes:

> On Sun, 28 Apr 2019 10:41:10 -0700
> Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net> wrote:
>
>
>> > Note that at any given point
>> > in time, there can be at most four such call insn emulations pending:
>> > namely at most one per "process", "irq", "softirq" and "nmi" context.
>> >   
>> 
>> That’s quite an assumption. I think your list should also contain
>> exception, exceptions nested inside that exception, and machine
>> check, at the very least.  I’m also wondering why irq and softirq are
>> treated separately.

You're right, I missed the machine check case.


> 4 has usually been the context count we choose. But I guess in theory,
> if we get exceptions then I could potentially be more.

After having seen the static_call discussion, I'm in no way defending
this limited approach here, but out of curiosity: can the code between
the push onto the stack from ftrace_int3_handler() and the subsequent
pop from the stub actually trigger an (non-#MC) exception? There's an
iret inbetween, but that can fault only when returning to user space,
correct?


> As for irq vs softirq, an interrupt can preempt a softirq. Interrupts
> are enabled while softirqs are running. When sofirqs run, softirqs are
> disabled to prevent nested softirqs. But interrupts are enabled again,
> and another interrupt may come in while a softirq is executing.
>

Thanks,

Nicolai


-- 
SUSE Linux GmbH, GF: Felix Imendörffer, Jane Smithard, Graham Norton,
HRB 21284 (AG Nürnberg)

  parent reply	other threads:[~2019-04-28 21:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 192+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-04-27 10:06 [PATCH 0/4] x86/ftrace: make ftrace_int3_handler() not to skip fops invocation Nicolai Stange
2019-04-27 10:06 ` Nicolai Stange
2019-04-27 10:06 ` nstange
2019-04-27 10:06 ` [PATCH 1/4] x86/thread_info: introduce ->ftrace_int3_stack member Nicolai Stange
2019-04-27 10:06   ` Nicolai Stange
2019-04-27 10:06   ` nstange
2019-04-28 17:41   ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-04-28 17:41     ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-04-28 17:41     ` luto
2019-04-28 17:51     ` Steven Rostedt
2019-04-28 17:51       ` Steven Rostedt
2019-04-28 17:51       ` rostedt
2019-04-28 18:08       ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-04-28 18:08         ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-04-28 18:08         ` luto
2019-04-28 19:43         ` Steven Rostedt
2019-04-28 19:43           ` Steven Rostedt
2019-04-28 19:43           ` rostedt
2019-04-28 20:56           ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-04-28 20:56             ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-04-28 20:56             ` luto
2019-04-28 21:22       ` Nicolai Stange [this message]
2019-04-28 21:22         ` Nicolai Stange
2019-04-28 21:22         ` nstange
2019-04-28 23:27         ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-04-28 23:27           ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-04-28 23:27           ` luto
2019-04-27 10:06 ` [PATCH 2/4] ftrace: drop 'static' qualifier from ftrace_ops_list_func() Nicolai Stange
2019-04-27 10:06   ` Nicolai Stange
2019-04-27 10:06   ` nstange
2019-04-27 10:06 ` [PATCH 3/4] x86/ftrace: make ftrace_int3_handler() not to skip fops invocation Nicolai Stange
2019-04-27 10:06   ` Nicolai Stange
2019-04-27 10:06   ` nstange
2019-04-27 10:26   ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-04-27 10:26     ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-04-27 10:26     ` peterz
2019-04-28 17:38     ` Steven Rostedt
2019-04-28 17:38       ` Steven Rostedt
2019-04-28 17:38       ` rostedt
2019-04-29 18:06       ` Linus Torvalds
2019-04-29 18:06         ` Linus Torvalds
2019-04-29 18:06         ` torvalds
2019-04-29 18:22         ` Linus Torvalds
2019-04-29 18:22           ` Linus Torvalds
2019-04-29 18:22           ` torvalds
2019-04-29 18:42           ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-04-29 18:42             ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-04-29 18:42             ` luto
     [not found]             ` <CAHk-=whtt4K2f0KPtG-4Pykh3FK8UBOjD8jhXCUKB5nWDj_YRA@mail.gmail.com>
2019-04-29 18:56               ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-04-29 18:56                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-04-29 18:56                 ` luto
     [not found]                 ` <CAHk-=wgewK4eFhF3=0RNtk1KQjMANFH6oDE=8m=84RExn2gxhw@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]                   ` <CAHk-=whay7eN6+2gZjY-ybRbkbcqAmgrLwwszzHx8ws3c=S-MA@mail.gmail.com>
2019-04-29 19:24                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-04-29 19:24                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-04-29 19:24                       ` luto
2019-04-29 20:07                       ` Linus Torvalds
2019-04-29 20:07                         ` Linus Torvalds
2019-04-29 20:07                         ` torvalds
2019-04-30 13:56                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-04-30 13:56                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-04-30 13:56                           ` peterz
2019-04-30 16:06                           ` Linus Torvalds
2019-04-30 16:06                             ` Linus Torvalds
2019-04-30 16:06                             ` torvalds
2019-04-30 16:33                             ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-04-30 16:33                               ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-04-30 16:33                               ` luto
2019-04-30 17:03                               ` Steven Rostedt
2019-04-30 17:03                                 ` Steven Rostedt
2019-04-30 17:03                                 ` rostedt
2019-04-30 17:20                                 ` Steven Rostedt
2019-04-30 17:20                                   ` Steven Rostedt
2019-04-30 17:20                                   ` rostedt
2019-04-30 17:49                                   ` [RFC][PATCH] ftrace/x86: Emulate call function while updating in breakpoint handler Steven Rostedt
2019-04-30 17:49                                     ` Steven Rostedt
2019-04-30 17:49                                     ` rostedt
2019-04-30 18:33                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2019-04-30 18:33                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2019-04-30 18:33                                       ` torvalds
2019-04-30 19:00                                       ` Steven Rostedt
2019-04-30 19:00                                         ` Steven Rostedt
2019-04-30 19:00                                         ` rostedt
2019-04-30 21:08                                       ` Steven Rostedt
2019-04-30 21:08                                         ` Steven Rostedt
2019-04-30 21:08                                         ` rostedt
2019-05-01 13:11                                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-05-01 13:11                                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-05-01 13:11                                         ` peterz
2019-05-01 18:58                                         ` Steven Rostedt
2019-05-01 18:58                                           ` Steven Rostedt
2019-05-01 18:58                                           ` rostedt
2019-05-01 19:03                                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-05-01 19:03                                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-05-01 19:03                                             ` peterz
2019-05-01 19:03                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2019-05-01 19:03                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2019-05-01 19:03                                           ` torvalds
2019-05-01 19:13                                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-05-01 19:13                                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-05-01 19:13                                             ` peterz
2019-05-01 19:13                                           ` Steven Rostedt
2019-05-01 19:13                                             ` Steven Rostedt
2019-05-01 19:13                                             ` rostedt
2019-05-01 19:33                                             ` Jiri Kosina
2019-05-01 19:33                                               ` Jiri Kosina
2019-05-01 19:33                                               ` jikos
2019-05-01 19:41                                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-05-01 19:41                                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-05-01 19:41                                                 ` peterz
2019-04-30 21:53                                     ` [RFC][PATCH v2] " Steven Rostedt
2019-04-30 21:53                                       ` Steven Rostedt
2019-04-30 21:53                                       ` rostedt
2019-05-01  1:35                                       ` Steven Rostedt
2019-05-01  1:35                                         ` Steven Rostedt
2019-05-01  1:35                                         ` rostedt
2019-05-01  1:58                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2019-05-01  1:58                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2019-05-01  1:58                                           ` torvalds
2019-05-01  8:26                                       ` Nicolai Stange
2019-05-01  8:26                                         ` Nicolai Stange
2019-05-01  8:26                                         ` nstange
2019-05-01 13:22                                         ` Steven Rostedt
2019-05-01 13:22                                           ` Steven Rostedt
2019-05-01 13:22                                           ` rostedt
2019-04-29 20:16                   ` [PATCH 3/4] x86/ftrace: make ftrace_int3_handler() not to skip fops invocation Linus Torvalds
2019-04-29 20:16                     ` Linus Torvalds
2019-04-29 20:16                     ` torvalds
2019-04-29 22:08                     ` Sean Christopherson
2019-04-29 22:08                       ` Sean Christopherson
2019-04-29 22:08                       ` sean.j.christopherson
2019-04-29 22:22                       ` Linus Torvalds
2019-04-29 22:22                         ` Linus Torvalds
2019-04-29 22:22                         ` torvalds
2019-04-30  0:08                         ` Sean Christopherson
2019-04-30  0:08                           ` Sean Christopherson
2019-04-30  0:08                           ` sean.j.christopherson
2019-04-30  0:45                           ` Sean Christopherson
2019-04-30  0:45                             ` Sean Christopherson
2019-04-30  0:45                             ` sean.j.christopherson
2019-04-30  2:26                             ` Linus Torvalds
2019-04-30  2:26                               ` Linus Torvalds
2019-04-30  2:26                               ` torvalds
2019-04-30 10:40                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-04-30 10:40                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-04-30 10:40                                 ` peterz
2019-04-30 11:17                               ` Jiri Kosina
2019-04-30 11:17                                 ` Jiri Kosina
2019-04-30 11:17                                 ` jikos
2019-04-29 22:06                 ` Linus Torvalds
2019-04-29 22:06                   ` Linus Torvalds
2019-04-29 22:06                   ` torvalds
2019-04-30 11:18                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-04-30 11:18                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-04-30 11:18                     ` peterz
2019-04-29 18:52         ` Steven Rostedt
2019-04-29 18:52           ` Steven Rostedt
2019-04-29 18:52           ` rostedt
     [not found]           ` <CAHk-=wjm93jLtVxTX4HZs6K4k1Wqh3ujjmapqaYtcibVk_YnzQ@mail.gmail.com>
2019-04-29 19:07             ` Steven Rostedt
2019-04-29 19:07               ` Steven Rostedt
2019-04-29 19:07               ` rostedt
2019-04-29 20:06               ` Linus Torvalds
2019-04-29 20:06                 ` Linus Torvalds
2019-04-29 20:06                 ` torvalds
2019-04-29 20:20                 ` Linus Torvalds
2019-04-29 20:20                   ` Linus Torvalds
2019-04-29 20:20                   ` torvalds
2019-04-29 20:30                 ` Steven Rostedt
2019-04-29 20:30                   ` Steven Rostedt
2019-04-29 20:30                   ` rostedt
2019-04-29 21:38                   ` Linus Torvalds
2019-04-29 21:38                     ` Linus Torvalds
2019-04-29 21:38                     ` torvalds
2019-04-29 22:07                     ` Steven Rostedt
2019-04-29 22:07                       ` Steven Rostedt
2019-04-29 22:07                       ` rostedt
2019-04-30  9:24                       ` Nicolai Stange
2019-04-30  9:24                         ` Nicolai Stange
2019-04-30  9:24                         ` nstange
2019-04-30 10:46           ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-04-30 10:46             ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-04-30 10:46             ` peterz
2019-04-30 13:44             ` Steven Rostedt
2019-04-30 13:44               ` Steven Rostedt
2019-04-30 13:44               ` rostedt
2019-04-30 14:20               ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-04-30 14:20                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-04-30 14:20                 ` peterz
2019-04-30 14:36                 ` Steven Rostedt
2019-04-30 14:36                   ` Steven Rostedt
2019-04-30 14:36                   ` rostedt
2019-04-27 10:06 ` [PATCH 4/4] selftests/livepatch: add "ftrace a live patched function" test Nicolai Stange
2019-04-27 10:06   ` Nicolai Stange
2019-04-27 10:06   ` nstange

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