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From: ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman)
To: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>
Cc: "Andrew Morton" <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	"Mika Penttilä" <mika.penttila@nextfour.com>,
	"Aleksa Sarai" <asarai@suse.com>,
	"Andy Lutomirski" <luto@amacapital.net>,
	"Attila Fazekas" <afazekas@redhat.com>,
	"Jann Horn" <jann@thejh.net>, "Kees Cook" <keescook@chromium.org>,
	"Michal Hocko" <mhocko@kernel.org>,
	"Ulrich Obergfell" <uobergfe@redhat.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	"David Howells" <dhowells@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH V2 1/2] exec: don't wait for zombie threads with cred_guard_mutex held
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2017 17:42:09 +1300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87k28po2ce.fsf@xmission.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170213180454.GA2858@redhat.com> (Oleg Nesterov's message of "Mon, 13 Feb 2017 19:04:54 +0100")

Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com> writes:

> de_thread() waits for other threads with ->cred_guard_mutex held and this
> is really bad because the time is not bounded, debugger can delay the exit
> and this lock has a lot of users (mostly abusers imo) in fs/proc and more.
> And this leads to deadlock if debugger tries to take the same mutex:

Oleg.  I looked at the history in proc of users of cred_guard_mutex
and the proc users are grabbing cred_guard_mutex for the proper
semantic reasons.  To avoid races with setuid exec that could result in
an information disclosure.

I do agree that a mutex is the wrong data structure for the job
cred_guard_mutex is performing.  The job of sorting ensuring debuggers
and proc processes see either the old version or the new version of the
task.

I need to play with the code but I suspect the best we can handle this
preventing both security issues and problems in the future is to create
a new task struct and populate it appropriate with the new data from
exec (at least in the case of setuid exec).

I am thinking of generalizing the case of a non-leader exec where we
have to assume the leaders pid.

I don't yet know what the performance implications would be but
that would clean the users up a lot.

On that score I believe we can incrementally approach that point and
only grab the cred_guard_mutex in exec if we are performing an exec that
changes the processes credentials.

Right now I don't think it introduces any new security information
disclosures but the moving of flush_signal_handlers outside of
cred_guard_mutex feels wrong.

Eric

  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-02-17  4:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 93+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-02-13 14:14 [PATCH 0/2] fix the traced mt-exec deadlock Oleg Nesterov
2017-02-13 14:15 ` [PATCH 1/2] exec: don't wait for zombie threads with cred_guard_mutex held Oleg Nesterov
2017-02-13 16:12   ` kbuild test robot
2017-02-13 16:47     ` Oleg Nesterov
2017-02-13 16:39   ` kbuild test robot
2017-02-13 17:27   ` Mika Penttilä
2017-02-13 18:01     ` Oleg Nesterov
2017-02-13 18:04   ` [PATCH V2 " Oleg Nesterov
2017-02-16 11:42     ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-02-20 15:22       ` Oleg Nesterov
2017-02-20 15:36         ` Oleg Nesterov
2017-02-20 22:30         ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-02-21 17:53           ` Oleg Nesterov
2017-02-21 20:20             ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-02-22 17:41               ` Oleg Nesterov
2017-02-17  4:42     ` Eric W. Biederman [this message]
2017-02-20 15:50       ` Oleg Nesterov
2017-02-13 14:15 ` [PATCH 2/2] ptrace: ensure PTRACE_EVENT_EXIT won't stop if the tracee is killed by exec Oleg Nesterov
2017-02-24 16:03 ` [PATCH 0/2] fix the traced mt-exec deadlock Oleg Nesterov
2017-03-03  1:05   ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-03-03 17:33     ` Oleg Nesterov
2017-03-03 18:23       ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-03-03 18:23         ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-03-03 18:59         ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-03-03 18:59           ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-03-03 20:06           ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-03-03 20:06             ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-03-03 20:11             ` [RFC][PATCH] exec: Don't wait for ptraced threads to be reaped Eric W. Biederman
2017-03-03 20:11               ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-03-04 17:03               ` Oleg Nesterov
2017-03-30  8:07                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-04-01  5:11                   ` [RFC][PATCH 0/2] exec: Fixing ptrace'd mulit-threaded hang Eric W. Biederman
2017-04-01  5:11                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-04-01  5:14                     ` [RFC][PATCH 1/2] sighand: Count each thread group once in sighand_struct Eric W. Biederman
2017-04-01  5:14                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-04-01  5:16                     ` [RFC][PATCH 2/2] exec: If possible don't wait for ptraced threads to be reaped Eric W. Biederman
2017-04-01  5:16                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-04-02 15:35                       ` Oleg Nesterov
2017-04-02 15:35                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2017-04-02 18:53                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-04-02 18:53                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-04-03 18:12                           ` Oleg Nesterov
2017-04-03 18:12                             ` Oleg Nesterov
2017-04-03 21:04                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-04-05 16:44                               ` Oleg Nesterov
2017-04-02 15:38                     ` [RFC][PATCH 0/2] exec: Fixing ptrace'd mulit-threaded hang Oleg Nesterov
2017-04-02 15:38                       ` Oleg Nesterov
2017-04-02 22:50                     ` [RFC][PATCH v2 0/5] " Eric W. Biederman
2017-04-02 22:50                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-04-02 22:51                       ` [RFC][PATCH v2 1/5] ptrace: Don't wait in PTRACE_O_TRACEEXIT for exec or coredump Eric W. Biederman
2017-04-02 22:51                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-04-05 16:19                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2017-04-02 22:51                       ` [RFC][PATCH v2 2/5] sighand: Count each thread group once in sighand_struct Eric W. Biederman
2017-04-02 22:51                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-04-02 22:52                       ` [RFC][PATCH v2 3/5] clone: Disallown CLONE_THREAD with a shared sighand_struct Eric W. Biederman
2017-04-02 22:52                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-04-05 16:24                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2017-04-05 16:24                           ` Oleg Nesterov
2017-04-05 17:34                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-04-05 18:11                             ` Oleg Nesterov
2017-04-02 22:53                       ` [RFC][PATCH v2 4/5] exec: If possible don't wait for ptraced threads to be reaped Eric W. Biederman
2017-04-02 22:53                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-04-05 16:15                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2017-04-02 22:57                       ` [RFC][PATCH v2 5/5] signal: Don't allow accessing signal_struct by old threads after exec Eric W. Biederman
2017-04-02 22:57                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-04-05 16:18                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2017-04-05 16:18                           ` Oleg Nesterov
2017-04-05 18:16                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-04-05 18:16                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-04-06 15:48                             ` Oleg Nesterov
2017-04-06 15:48                               ` Oleg Nesterov
2017-04-02 16:15                   ` [RFC][PATCH] exec: Don't wait for ptraced threads to be reaped Oleg Nesterov
2017-04-02 16:15                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2017-04-02 21:07                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-04-02 21:07                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-04-03 18:37                       ` Oleg Nesterov
2017-04-03 18:37                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2017-04-03 22:49                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-04-03 22:49                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-04-03 22:49                         ` scope of cred_guard_mutex Eric W. Biederman
2017-04-03 22:49                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-04-05 16:08                           ` Oleg Nesterov
2017-04-05 16:11                             ` Kees Cook
2017-04-05 17:53                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-04-05 18:15                               ` Oleg Nesterov
2017-04-06 15:55                           ` Oleg Nesterov
2017-04-06 15:55                             ` Oleg Nesterov
2017-04-07 22:07                             ` Kees Cook
2017-04-07 22:07                               ` Kees Cook
2017-09-04  3:19                       ` [RFC][PATCH] exec: Don't wait for ptraced threads to be reaped Robert O'Callahan
2017-09-04  3:19                         ` Robert O'Callahan
2017-03-04 16:54         ` [PATCH 0/2] fix the traced mt-exec deadlock Oleg Nesterov
2017-03-04 16:54           ` Oleg Nesterov

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