From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S261206AbVF1T6q (ORCPT ); Tue, 28 Jun 2005 15:58:46 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S261248AbVF1T6k (ORCPT ); Tue, 28 Jun 2005 15:58:40 -0400 Received: from services106.cs.uwaterloo.ca ([129.97.152.164]:17146 "EHLO services106.cs.uwaterloo.ca") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S261261AbVF1T5w (ORCPT ); Tue, 28 Jun 2005 15:57:52 -0400 X-Mailer: emacs 21.4.1 (via feedmail 8 I) To: David Masover Cc: Kyle Moffett , Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu, Lincoln Dale , Gregory Maxwell , Hans Reiser , Horst von Brand , Jeff Garzik , Christoph Hellwig , Andrew Morton , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, ReiserFS List Subject: Re: reiser4 plugins From: Hubert Chan In-Reply-To: <42C1A5E8.2040603@slaphack.com> (David Masover's message of "Tue, 28 Jun 2005 14:32:56 -0500") References: <200506240241.j5O2f1eb005609@laptop11.inf.utfsm.cl> <200506261816.j5QIGMdI010142@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> <42BF08CF.2020703@slaphack.com> <200506262105.j5QL5kdR018609@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> <42BF2DC4.8030901@slaphack.com> <200506270040.j5R0eUNA030632@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> <42BF667C.50606@slaphack.com> <5284F665-873C-45B7-8DDB-5F475F2CE399@mac.com> <42BF7167.80201@slaphack.com> <42C06D59.2090200@slaphack.com> <42C08B5E.2080000@slaphack.com> <87y88vrzkg.fsf@evinrude.uhoreg.ca> <87mzpbrvpf.fsf@evinrude.uhoreg.ca> <87irzzrqu7.fsf@evinrude.uhoreg.ca> <2B1C058D-C304-4E15-ACDA-C3337E67E981@mac.com> <87d5q6pdyv.fsf@evinrude.uhoreg.ca> <42C1A5E8.2040603@slaphack.com> X-Hashcash: 1:23:050628:ninja@slaphack.com::FN4vd7tZ9Jb8e3NN:00000000000000000000000000000000000000000002Gb+ X-Hashcash: 1:23:050628:mrmacman_g4@mac.com::RIZjCB5pEjs6UcJr:0000000000000000000000000000000000000000009g2t X-Hashcash: 1:23:050628:valdis.kletnieks@vt.edu::2AHmJZOHmEMAEbFT:00000000000000000000000000000000000000mhtK X-Hashcash: 1:23:050628:ltd@cisco.com::VkpN1tpVcHPH4hZX:0000Ct+n X-Hashcash: 1:23:050628:gmaxwell@gmail.com::dxGnpAk4pUKBGF/e:00000000000000000000000000000000000000000003RWG X-Hashcash: 1:23:050628:reiser@namesys.com::EPlpUMnH9iR+diJP:0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000Hp6G X-Hashcash: 1:23:050628:vonbrand@inf.utfsm.cl::Q2CgEr7Jc8+xXNaO:0000000000000000000000000000000000000000utyM X-Hashcash: 1:23:050628:jgarzik@pobox.com::t8UBtLw4p7C+3AVS:000000000000000000000000000000000000000000002YI+ X-Hashcash: 1:23:050628:hch@infradead.org::mb1do0lAEIblwlFP:00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000JclU X-Hashcash: 1:23:050628:akpm@osdl.org::/eHzBdZAVva3vUem:0000C0WG X-Hashcash: 1:23:050628:linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org::Tpj06pMdqb4EntG5:0000000000000000000000000000000009gUy X-Hashcash: 1:23:050628:reiserfs-list@namesys.com::YLHqAL3jS2nDCWVn:0000000000000000000000000000000000007CRv Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 15:57:35 -0400 Message-ID: <87mzpantjk.fsf@evinrude.uhoreg.ca> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1007 (Gnus v5.10.7) Emacs/21.4 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 42C1AB89.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Tue, 28 Jun 2005 14:32:56 -0500, David Masover said: > Hubert Chan wrote: >> On Tue, 28 Jun 2005 02:01:12 -0400, Kyle Moffett >> said: >>> I don't deny them the right to add other interfaces later, but such >>> should be a secondary or tertiary patch, after the rest of the stuff >>> is in. In any case, if we were to provide an interface by which one >>> could $EDITOR the POSIX ACLs, it should be done in the VFS where all >>> filesystems can share it. >> I don't know if VFS is the right place for it, but I agree that it >> would be good to make it accessible to all filesystems. Sorry, "accessible to all filesystems" is incorrect terminology (it's backwards). What I meant was something more like "able to access extended data from all filesystems". But I think everyone understands what I meant. > You put it in /meta, which is available to all filesystems. >> Looking forward to the flamewar that happens when Namesys decides >> that file-as-dir is ready to be turned on again. ;-) > Namesys still hasn't commented directly on the /meta proposal, have > they? That would avoid the flamewar altogether. Well, we could still have a flamewar about whether metafs is useful, what type of functionality it should provide, etc. I'm sure we could find something to argue about. ;-) >>From a purely philosophical/aesthetic/theoretical point of view, I like file-as-dir much better than anything else, and would be ecstatic it if Namesys was able to make it work. From a practical/technical point of view, metafs may be an acceptable compromise. -- Hubert Chan - http://www.uhoreg.ca/ PGP/GnuPG key: 1024D/124B61FA Fingerprint: 96C5 012F 5F74 A5F7 1FF7 5291 AF29 C719 124B 61FA Key available at wwwkeys.pgp.net. Encrypted e-mail preferred. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Hubert Chan Subject: Re: reiser4 plugins Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 15:57:35 -0400 Message-ID: <87mzpantjk.fsf@evinrude.uhoreg.ca> References: <200506240241.j5O2f1eb005609@laptop11.inf.utfsm.cl> <200506261816.j5QIGMdI010142@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> <42BF08CF.2020703@slaphack.com> <200506262105.j5QL5kdR018609@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> <42BF2DC4.8030901@slaphack.com> <200506270040.j5R0eUNA030632@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> <42BF667C.50606@slaphack.com> <5284F665-873C-45B7-8DDB-5F475F2CE399@mac.com> <42BF7167.80201@slaphack.com> <42C06D59.2090200@slaphack.com> <42C08B5E.2080000@slaphack.com> <87y88vrzkg.fsf@evinrude.uhoreg.ca> <87mzpbrvpf.fsf@evinrude.uhoreg.ca> <87irzzrqu7.fsf@evinrude.uhoreg.ca> <2B1C058D-C304-4E15-ACDA-C3337E67E981@mac.com> <87d5q6pdyv.fsf@evinrude.uhoreg.ca> <42C1A5E8.2040603@slaphack.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Return-path: list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Errors-To: flx@namesys.com In-Reply-To: <42C1A5E8.2040603@slaphack.com> (David Masover's message of "Tue, 28 Jun 2005 14:32:56 -0500") List-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: David Masover Cc: Kyle Moffett , Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu, Lincoln Dale , Gregory Maxwell , Hans Reiser , Horst von Brand , Jeff Garzik , Christoph Hellwig , Andrew Morton , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, ReiserFS List On Tue, 28 Jun 2005 14:32:56 -0500, David Masover said: > Hubert Chan wrote: >> On Tue, 28 Jun 2005 02:01:12 -0400, Kyle Moffett >> said: >>> I don't deny them the right to add other interfaces later, but such >>> should be a secondary or tertiary patch, after the rest of the stuff >>> is in. In any case, if we were to provide an interface by which one >>> could $EDITOR the POSIX ACLs, it should be done in the VFS where all >>> filesystems can share it. >> I don't know if VFS is the right place for it, but I agree that it >> would be good to make it accessible to all filesystems. Sorry, "accessible to all filesystems" is incorrect terminology (it's backwards). What I meant was something more like "able to access extended data from all filesystems". But I think everyone understands what I meant. > You put it in /meta, which is available to all filesystems. >> Looking forward to the flamewar that happens when Namesys decides >> that file-as-dir is ready to be turned on again. ;-) > Namesys still hasn't commented directly on the /meta proposal, have > they? That would avoid the flamewar altogether. Well, we could still have a flamewar about whether metafs is useful, what type of functionality it should provide, etc. I'm sure we could find something to argue about. ;-) >From a purely philosophical/aesthetic/theoretical point of view, I like file-as-dir much better than anything else, and would be ecstatic it if Namesys was able to make it work. From a practical/technical point of view, metafs may be an acceptable compromise. -- Hubert Chan - http://www.uhoreg.ca/ PGP/GnuPG key: 1024D/124B61FA Fingerprint: 96C5 012F 5F74 A5F7 1FF7 5291 AF29 C719 124B 61FA Key available at wwwkeys.pgp.net. Encrypted e-mail preferred.