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From: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
To: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	Sebastian Andrzej Siewior <bigeasy@linutronix.de>,
	Masami Hiramatsu <mhiramat@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [patch 4/5] sched: Delay task stack freeing on RT
Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2021 19:24:45 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87o8884q02.ffs@tglx> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALCETrVP3asoqWyNqEe+rDs+YECd9gnp9eFb1==X0140oMZ41g@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Oct 01 2021 at 09:12, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 4:54 AM Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> wrote:
>> Having this logic split across two files seems unfortunate and prone to
>> 'accidents'. Is there a real down-side to unconditionally doing it in
>> delayed_put_task_struct() ?
>>
>> /me goes out for lunch... meanwhile tglx points at: 68f24b08ee89.
>>
>> Bah.. Andy?
>
> Could we make whatever we do here unconditional?

Sure. I just was unsure about your reasoning in 68f24b08ee89.

> And what actually causes the latency?  If it's vfree, shouldn't the
> existing use of vfree_atomic() in free_thread_stack() handle it?  Or
> is it the accounting?

The accounting muck because it can go into the allocator and sleep in
the worst case, which is nasty even on !RT kernels.

But thinking some more, there is actually a way nastier issue on RT in
the following case:

CPU 0                           CPU 1
  T1                            
  spin_lock(L1)
  rt_mutex_lock()
      schedule()

  T2
     do_exit()
     do_task_dead()             spin_unlock(L1)
                                   wake(T1)
     __schedule()                           
       switch_to(T1)
       finish_task_switch()
         put_task_stack()
           account()
             ....
             spin_lock(L2)

So if L1 == L2 or L1 and L2 have a reverse dependency then this can just
deadlock.

We've never observed that, but the above case is obviously hard to
hit. Nevertheless it's there.

Thanks,

        tglx

  reply	other threads:[~2021-10-01 17:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-09-28 12:24 [patch 0/5] sched: Miscellaneous RT related tweaks Thomas Gleixner
2021-09-28 12:24 ` [patch 1/5] sched: Limit the number of task migrations per batch on RT Thomas Gleixner
2021-10-01 15:05   ` [tip: sched/core] " tip-bot2 for Thomas Gleixner
2021-10-05 14:11   ` tip-bot2 for Thomas Gleixner
2021-09-28 12:24 ` [patch 2/5] sched: Disable TTWU_QUEUE " Thomas Gleixner
2021-10-01 15:05   ` [tip: sched/core] " tip-bot2 for Thomas Gleixner
2021-10-05 14:11   ` tip-bot2 for Thomas Gleixner
2021-09-28 12:24 ` [patch 3/5] sched: Move kprobes cleanup out of finish_task_switch() Thomas Gleixner
2021-10-01 15:05   ` [tip: sched/core] " tip-bot2 for Thomas Gleixner
2021-10-05 14:11   ` tip-bot2 for Thomas Gleixner
2021-09-28 12:24 ` [patch 4/5] sched: Delay task stack freeing on RT Thomas Gleixner
2021-09-29 11:54   ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-10-01 16:12     ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-10-01 17:24       ` Thomas Gleixner [this message]
2021-10-01 18:48         ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-10-01 19:02           ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-10-01 20:54             ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-09-28 12:24 ` [patch 5/5] sched: Move mmdrop to RCU " Thomas Gleixner
2021-09-29 12:02   ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-09-29 13:05     ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-10-01 15:05   ` [tip: sched/core] " tip-bot2 for Thomas Gleixner
2021-10-05 14:11   ` tip-bot2 for Thomas Gleixner

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