From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=3.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04C08C4740A for ; Mon, 9 Sep 2019 11:48:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D2E84218DE for ; Mon, 9 Sep 2019 11:48:43 +0000 (UTC) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 mail.kernel.org D2E84218DE Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; dmarc=fail (p=none dis=none) header.from=redhat.com Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=qemu-devel-bounces+qemu-devel=archiver.kernel.org@nongnu.org Received: from localhost ([::1]:55364 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1i7I9z-0006he-0W for qemu-devel@archiver.kernel.org; Mon, 09 Sep 2019 07:48:43 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:41918) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1i7I8z-0006GF-EX for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 09 Sep 2019 07:47:42 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1i7I8x-0003z3-4G for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 09 Sep 2019 07:47:40 -0400 Received: from mx1.redhat.com ([209.132.183.28]:42708) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1i7I8w-0003xw-VF for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 09 Sep 2019 07:47:39 -0400 Received: from smtp.corp.redhat.com (int-mx08.intmail.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com [10.5.11.23]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6225D3172D87; Mon, 9 Sep 2019 11:47:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from blackfin.pond.sub.org (ovpn-117-142.ams2.redhat.com [10.36.117.142]) by smtp.corp.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B41D23CCE; Mon, 9 Sep 2019 11:47:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: by blackfin.pond.sub.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 296CA1165361; Mon, 9 Sep 2019 13:47:34 +0200 (CEST) From: Markus Armbruster To: Peter Maydell References: <21182000.2zn5IIMESL@silver> <20190902173432.20f2637b@bahia.lan> <2734436.Mu773bgsdE@silver> <87r24xqjoz.fsf@fsf.org> Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2019 13:47:34 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Peter Maydell's message of "Wed, 4 Sep 2019 15:30:16 +0100") Message-ID: <87o8ztk7xl.fsf@dusky.pond.sub.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.84 on 10.5.11.23 X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.5.16 (mx1.redhat.com [10.5.110.41]); Mon, 09 Sep 2019 11:47:36 +0000 (UTC) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.132.183.28 Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] DMARC/DKIM and qemu-devel list settings X-BeenThere: qemu-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: "Daniel P. Berrange" , Stefan Hajnoczi , Christian Schoenebeck , Greg Kurz , QEMU Developers , "Dr. David Alan Gilbert" , antonios.motakis@huawei.com, Ian Kelling Errors-To: qemu-devel-bounces+qemu-devel=archiver.kernel.org@nongnu.org Sender: "Qemu-devel" Peter Maydell writes: > On Tue, 3 Sep 2019 at 20:11, Ian Kelling wrote: >> I don't know who has the Qemu-devel list admin password, but whoever has >> it can adopt the unmodified message fix by changing >> dmarc_moderation_action to Accept here: >> https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/admin/qemu-devel/privacy/sender and >> remove subject_prefix here >> https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/admin/qemu-devel/general > > I'm one of the list admins, at least for the main qemu-devel > list; some of the sublists have different admins (and > perhaps different settings -- there's no way to conveniently > say "manage all 5 of these lists with the same policies, > so it's easy for them to get out of sync, deliberately > or accidentally). > > I have been considering whether we change how we're handling > the DMARC problem for the list. I picked munge-the-email > initially because I think we didn't really understand the > consequences in terms of patchmail, and also because there > was a group of subscribers who complained that they liked > the [qemu-devel] tag, used it for filtering email, etc. > I think overall my opinion has shifted to thinking that > the downsides of munge-the-email are too great and we should > indeed switch to not modifying the message at all. Yes, please.