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From: ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman)
To: Al Viro <viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	"Serge E. Hallyn" <serge@hallyn.com>,
	Linux-Fsdevel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>,
	Rob Landley <rob@landley.net>, Miklos Szeredi <miklos@szeredi.hu>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	Karel Zak <kzak@redhat.com>,
	"J. Bruce Fields" <bfields@fieldses.org>,
	Fengguang Wu <fengguang.wu@intel.com>,
	tytso@mit.edu
Subject: Re: [GIT PULL] Detaching mounts on unlink for 3.15
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2014 14:23:27 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87tx9rwsz4.fsf@x220.int.ebiederm.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140417202237.GA18016@ZenIV.linux.org.uk> (Al Viro's message of "Thu, 17 Apr 2014 21:22:37 +0100")

Al Viro <viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk> writes:

> Have you tried to profile something like umount -l on a large mount tree?
> You variant causes a shitstorm of
> 	schedule work
> 	switch to workqueue
> 	do actual fs shutdown
> 	wake umount(8) up
> 	get through wait_for_completion()
> for every bleeding vfsmount in there.  And no, it's *not* guaranteed to
> be dominated by fs shutdown time.  Here's the case where it definitely
> won't be:
> 	mkdir /tmp/a
> 	mount --rbind / /tmp/a
> 	umount -l /tmp/a
>
> All vfsmounts involved are killed off with no fs shutdown.  And that's
> *not* a rare case - exit of the last process in namespace is very likely
> to look that way too.
>
> That's far too heavy.

The typically system has about 12 mounts and no mount namespaces.
Making umount of any kind a rare case.

Al my apologies for not picking your favorite solution and in choosing
not to audit every call to mntput in the tree this week I have made an
uncommon case slower.

These bug fixes are important, the code is correct, and it is
technically straight forward to remove the wait in mntput in most
cases.

I am very frustrated that when given lots of opportunities to look at
and comment on my code it is hard to get you to engage and comment
unless I send a pull request to Linus.

This last objection really looks to be a case of perfection getting in
the way of the good.

Eric


  reply	other threads:[~2014-04-17 21:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 181+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-08-14 17:42 DoS with unprivileged mounts Miklos Szeredi
2013-08-14 19:26 ` Andy Lutomirski
2013-08-14 19:53   ` Eric W. Biederman
2013-08-14 20:25     ` Andy Lutomirski
2013-08-14 21:54       ` Eric W. Biederman
2013-08-14 19:32 ` Eric W. Biederman
2013-08-15  4:59   ` Miklos Szeredi
2013-08-15  6:45     ` Eric W. Biederman
2013-08-15  6:52       ` Andy Lutomirski
2013-08-15  7:55         ` Eric W. Biederman
2013-08-15  9:29       ` Miklos Szeredi
2013-10-04 22:41         ` [RFC][PATCH 0/3] vfs: Detach mounts on unlink Eric W. Biederman
2013-10-04 22:42           ` [RFC][PATCH 1/3] vfs: Keep a list of mounts on a mount point Eric W. Biederman
2013-10-08 13:44             ` Miklos Szeredi
2013-10-08 20:31               ` Eric W. Biederman
2013-10-04 22:43           ` [RFC][PATCH 2/3] vfs: Add a function to lazily unmount all mounts from any dentry Eric W. Biederman
2013-10-07  4:22             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2013-10-07  6:15               ` Eric W. Biederman
2013-10-08 13:56             ` Miklos Szeredi
2013-10-08 20:32               ` Eric W. Biederman
2013-10-04 22:43           ` [RFC][PATCH 3/3] vfs: Lazily remove mounts on unlinked files and directories Eric W. Biederman
2013-10-08 15:50             ` Miklos Szeredi
2013-10-08 21:47               ` Eric W. Biederman
2013-10-09 19:12                 ` Grrrr fusermount Eric W. Biederman
2013-10-09 20:09                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-09 23:35                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2013-10-04 23:20           ` [RFC][PATCH 0/3] vfs: Detach mounts on unlink Linus Torvalds
2013-10-05  0:03             ` Eric W. Biederman
2013-10-05  1:57               ` Eric W. Biederman
2013-10-05 23:42               ` Rob Landley
2013-10-06  0:44                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2013-10-08  8:03                 ` Karel Zak
2013-10-10  6:46                   ` Rob Landley
2013-10-05  2:34           ` [RFC][PATCH 4/3] vfs: Allow rmdir to remove mounts in all but the current mount namespace Eric W. Biederman
2013-10-05 15:44             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2013-10-07  4:39             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2013-10-07  6:55               ` Eric W. Biederman
2013-10-07 16:53                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-07 22:25                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2013-10-08 16:06                     ` Miklos Szeredi
2013-10-08 16:06                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-08 16:11                         ` Miklos Szeredi
2013-10-08 20:50                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2013-10-10 10:02                             ` Miklos Szeredi
2013-10-10 11:43                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2013-10-10 11:57                                 ` Miklos Szeredi
2013-10-12  1:04                                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2013-10-12  1:39                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                                       ` <87d2nb8dxy.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-15 20:15                                         ` [REVIEW][PATCH 0/4] vfs: Detach mounts on unlink Eric W. Biederman
2013-10-15 20:15                                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2013-10-15 20:16                                           ` [REVIEW][PATCH 1/4] vfs: Don't allow overwriting mounts in the current mount namespace Eric W. Biederman
2013-11-03  3:54                                             ` Al Viro
     [not found]                                               ` <20131103035406.GA8537-3bDd1+5oDREiFSDQTTA3OLVCufUGDwFn@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-08 20:51                                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2013-11-08 20:51                                                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2013-11-08 21:35                                                   ` Al Viro
     [not found]                                                     ` <20131108213551.GR13318-3bDd1+5oDREiFSDQTTA3OLVCufUGDwFn@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-08 22:17                                                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2013-11-08 22:17                                                         ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                                                         ` <87fvr61qtg.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-09  8:49                                                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2013-11-09  8:49                                                             ` Christoph Hellwig
     [not found]                                                             ` <20131109084916.GA21413-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-21 20:58                                                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2013-11-21 20:58                                                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                                                   ` <87bo1u8vmf.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-08 21:35                                                     ` Al Viro
2013-11-21 20:49                                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2013-11-21 20:49                                                   ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                                             ` <87d2n6xpan.fsf_-_-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-22 19:04                                               ` Serge E. Hallyn
2013-10-22 19:04                                                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2013-11-03  3:54                                               ` Al Viro
     [not found]                                           ` <87iowyxpci.fsf_-_-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-15 20:16                                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2013-10-15 20:17                                             ` [REVIEW][PATCH 2/4] vfs: Keep a list of mounts on a mount point Eric W. Biederman
2013-10-15 20:17                                               ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                                               ` <877gdexp9s.fsf_-_-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-22 19:06                                                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2013-10-22 19:06                                                   ` Serge E. Hallyn
2013-10-15 20:17                                             ` [REVIEW][PATCH 3/4] vfs: Add a function to lazily unmount all mounts from any dentry. v3 Eric W. Biederman
2013-10-15 20:17                                               ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                                               ` <871u3mxp8s.fsf_-_-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-22 19:08                                                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2013-10-22 19:08                                                   ` Serge E. Hallyn
2013-10-15 20:18                                             ` [REVIEW][PATCH 4/4] vfs: Lazily remove mounts on unlinked files and directories. v2 Eric W. Biederman
2013-10-15 20:18                                               ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                                               ` <87vc0ywan7.fsf_-_-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-22 19:13                                                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2013-10-22 19:13                                                   ` Serge E. Hallyn
2013-10-08 10:42                 ` [RFC][PATCH 4/3] vfs: Allow rmdir to remove mounts in all but the current mount namespace Matthias Schniedermeyer
2013-10-08 13:13                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2013-10-05 23:07           ` [RFC][PATCH 0/3] vfs: Detach mounts on unlink Rob Landley
2013-10-05 23:17             ` Linus Torvalds
2013-10-05 23:22               ` Linus Torvalds
2013-10-06  0:18                 ` Rob Landley
2013-10-06  0:37                   ` Linus Torvalds
2013-10-05 23:24               ` Al Viro
2013-10-06  0:22                 ` Rob Landley
2013-10-06  0:12               ` Rob Landley
2013-10-05 23:19             ` Al Viro
2013-10-06  0:13               ` Rob Landley
2014-02-15 21:34           ` [PATCH 0/11] Detaching " Eric W. Biederman
2014-02-15 21:35             ` [PATCH 01/11] vfs: Document the effect of d_revalidate on d_find_alias Eric W. Biederman
2014-02-15 21:36             ` [PATCH 02/11] vfs: More precise tests in d_invalidate Eric W. Biederman
2014-02-15 22:51               ` Linus Torvalds
2014-02-15 22:59                 ` Linus Torvalds
2014-02-15 23:23                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2014-02-15 23:39                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2014-02-16  0:03                     ` Linus Torvalds
2014-02-16  1:22                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2014-02-15 21:36             ` [PATCH 03/11] vfs: Don't allow overwriting mounts in the current mount namespace Eric W. Biederman
2014-02-18 17:12               ` Miklos Szeredi
2014-02-18 21:28                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2014-02-18 22:20                   ` Linus Torvalds
2014-02-19  2:23                     ` Stephen Rothwell
2014-02-24 23:43                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2014-02-15 21:37             ` [PATCH 04/11] vfs: Keep a list of mounts on a mount point Eric W. Biederman
2014-02-15 21:37             ` [PATCH 05/11] vfs: Add a function to lazily unmount all mounts from any dentry Eric W. Biederman
2014-02-16  1:50               ` Eric W. Biederman
2014-02-18 17:17               ` Miklos Szeredi
2014-02-25  3:24                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2014-02-15 21:38             ` [PATCH 06/11] vfs: Lazily remove mounts on unlinked files and directories Eric W. Biederman
2014-02-15 21:38             ` [PATCH 07/11] vfs: Remove unnecessary calls of check_submounts_and_drop Eric W. Biederman
2014-02-15 21:39             ` [PATCH 08/11] vfs: Merge check_submounts_and_drop and d_invalidate Eric W. Biederman
2014-02-18 17:40               ` Miklos Szeredi
2014-02-25  0:01                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2014-02-25 15:13                   ` J. Bruce Fields
2014-02-25 22:03                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2014-02-26 19:37                       ` J. Bruce Fields
2014-02-27  2:05                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2014-02-15 21:39             ` [PATCH 09/11] vfs: Make d_invalidate return void Eric W. Biederman
2014-02-15 21:40             ` [PATCH 10/11] vfs: Remove d_drop calls from d_revalidate implementations Eric W. Biederman
2014-02-15 21:40             ` [PATCH 11/11] proc: Update proc_flush_task_mnt to use d_invalidate Eric W. Biederman
2014-02-18 17:43             ` [PATCH 0/11] Detaching mounts on unlink Miklos Szeredi
2014-02-25  9:33             ` [PATCH 0/12] Detaching mounts on unlink (for 3.15 v2) Eric W. Biederman
2014-02-25  9:34               ` [PATCH 01/12] vfs: Document the effect of d_revalidate on d_find_alias Eric W. Biederman
2014-02-25  9:35               ` [PATCH 02/12] vfs: More precise tests in d_invalidate Eric W. Biederman
2014-02-25  9:35               ` [PATCH 03/12] vfs: Don't allow overwriting mounts in the current mount namespace Eric W. Biederman
2014-02-25  9:36               ` [PATCH 04/12] vfs: Keep a list of mounts on a mount point Eric W. Biederman
2014-02-25  9:37               ` [PATCH 05/12] vfs: factor out lookup_mountpoint from new_mountpoint Eric W. Biederman
2014-02-25  9:38               ` [PATCH 06/12] vfs: Add a function to lazily unmount all mounts from any dentry Eric W. Biederman
2014-02-25  9:38               ` [PATCH 07/12] vfs: Lazily remove mounts on unlinked files and directories Eric W. Biederman
2014-02-25  9:39               ` [PATCH 08/12] vfs: Remove unnecessary calls of check_submounts_and_drop Eric W. Biederman
2014-02-25  9:40               ` [PATCH 09/12] vfs: Merge check_submounts_and_drop and d_invalidate Eric W. Biederman
2014-02-25  9:40               ` [PATCH 10/12] vfs: Make d_invalidate return void Eric W. Biederman
2014-02-25  9:41               ` [PATCH 11/12] vfs: Remove d_drop calls from d_revalidate implementations Eric W. Biederman
2014-02-25  9:41               ` [PATCH 12/12] proc: Update proc_flush_task_mnt to use d_invalidate Eric W. Biederman
2014-04-09  0:21               ` [GIT PULL] Detaching mounts on unlink for 3.15-rc1 Eric W. Biederman
2014-04-09  2:30                 ` Al Viro
2014-04-09  2:39                   ` Al Viro
2014-04-09  9:02                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2014-04-09 17:32                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2014-04-09 17:53                       ` Al Viro
2014-04-09 18:28                         ` Al Viro
2014-04-09 22:49                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2014-04-09 22:58                             ` [RFC][PATCH] vfs: In mntput run deactivate_super on a shallow stack Eric W. Biederman
2014-04-09 23:24                               ` Al Viro
2014-04-10  1:36                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2014-04-12 22:15                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2014-04-13  5:39                                   ` Al Viro
2014-04-13  5:49                                     ` Al Viro
2014-04-13  7:01                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2014-04-13  7:51                                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2014-04-13 21:52                                         ` Al Viro
2014-04-14  7:38                                           ` [RFC][PATCH 0/4] No I/O from mntput Eric W. Biederman
2014-04-14  7:40                                             ` [PATCH 1/4] vfs: Remove useless loop in mntput_no_expire Eric W. Biederman
2014-04-14  7:40                                             ` [PATCH 2/4] vfs: Move autoclose of BSD accounting into a work queue Eric W. Biederman
2014-04-14  7:41                                             ` [PATCH 3/4] vfs: In mntput run deactivate_super on a shallow stack Eric W. Biederman
2014-04-14  7:42                                             ` [PATCH 4/4] vfs: Block intuitively in the case of BSD accounting files Eric W. Biederman
2014-04-16 22:03                                             ` [RFC][PATCH 0/4] No I/O from mntput Eric W. Biederman
2014-04-17 20:05                                               ` [GIT PULL] Detaching mounts on unlink for 3.15 Eric W. Biederman
2014-04-17 20:22                                                 ` Al Viro
2014-04-17 21:23                                                   ` Eric W. Biederman [this message]
2014-04-17 22:12                                                     ` Al Viro
2014-04-17 22:14                                                       ` Al Viro
2014-04-18  0:37                                                       ` Al Viro
2014-04-18  0:58                                                         ` Al Viro
2014-04-19  1:35                                                         ` Al Viro
2014-04-19  2:16                                                           ` Al Viro
2014-04-19  7:05                                                             ` Al Viro
2014-04-20  5:41                                                       ` Al Viro
2014-05-11 16:45                                                         ` Al Viro
2014-05-11 17:05                                                           ` Al Viro
2014-08-09  9:34                                                           ` Al Viro
2014-08-09  9:55                                                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2014-08-12 10:17                                                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2014-08-13 13:18                                                               ` Al Viro
2014-08-13 17:18                                                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2014-04-09 22:01                       ` [GIT PULL] Detaching mounts on unlink for 3.15-rc1 Dave Chinner
2013-08-15 21:23 ` DoS with unprivileged mounts Rob Landley

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