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From: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
To: "Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com>,
	mingo@redhat.com, bp@alien8.de, dave.hansen@intel.com,
	luto@kernel.org, peterz@infradead.org
Cc: sathyanarayanan.kuppuswamy@linux.intel.com, aarcange@redhat.com,
	ak@linux.intel.com, dan.j.williams@intel.com, david@redhat.com,
	hpa@zytor.com, jgross@suse.com, jmattson@google.com,
	joro@8bytes.org, jpoimboe@redhat.com, knsathya@kernel.org,
	pbonzini@redhat.com, sdeep@vmware.com, seanjc@google.com,
	tony.luck@intel.com, vkuznets@redhat.com, wanpengli@tencent.com,
	x86@kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	"Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCHv2 28/29] x86/tdx: Warn about unexpected WBINVD
Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2022 02:46:17 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87y22uujkm.ffs@tglx> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20220124150215.36893-29-kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com>

On Mon, Jan 24 2022 at 18:02, Kirill A. Shutemov wrote:

> WBINVD causes #VE in TDX guests. There's no reliable way to emulate it.
> The kernel can ask for VMM assistance, but VMM is untrusted and can ignore
> the request.
>
> Fortunately, there is no use case for WBINVD inside TDX guests.

If there is not usecase, then why

> Warn about any unexpected WBINVD.

instead of terminating the whole thing?

I'm tired of the "let us emit a warning in the hope it gets fixed'
thinking.

That's just wrong. Any code which has an assumption that it relies on
WBINVD to work correctly has to be analysed and not ignored on the
assumption that there is no use case for WBINVD inside TDX guests.

Its's simply wishful thinking that stuff gets fixed because of a
WARN_ONCE(). This has never worked. The only thing which works is to
make stuff fail hard or slow it down in a way which makes it annoying
enough to users to complain.

This is new technology. Anything which wants to use it has to obey to
the rules of this new technology. Just define it to be: WBINVD is
forbidden. End of story.

The Intel approach of 'Let us tolerate all sins of the past' has been
proven to be wrong, broken and outright dangerous in the past. So why
are you insisting to proliferate that?

Thanks,

        tglx



  reply	other threads:[~2022-02-02  1:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 154+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-01-24 15:01 [PATCHv2 00/29] TDX Guest: TDX core support Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-01-24 15:01 ` [PATCHv2 01/29] x86/tdx: Detect running as a TDX guest in early boot Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-02-01 19:29   ` Thomas Gleixner
2022-02-01 23:14     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-02-03  0:32       ` Josh Poimboeuf
2022-02-03 14:09         ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-02-03 15:13           ` Dave Hansen
2022-01-24 15:01 ` [PATCHv2 02/29] x86/tdx: Extend the cc_platform_has() API to support TDX guests Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-02-01 19:31   ` Thomas Gleixner
2022-01-24 15:01 ` [PATCHv2 03/29] x86/tdx: Add __tdx_module_call() and __tdx_hypercall() helper functions Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-02-01 19:58   ` Thomas Gleixner
2022-02-02  2:55     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-02-02 10:59       ` Kai Huang
2022-02-03 14:44         ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-02-03 23:47           ` Kai Huang
2022-02-04  3:43           ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-02-04  9:51             ` Kai Huang
2022-02-04 13:20               ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-02-04 10:12             ` Kai Huang
2022-02-04 13:18               ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-02-05  0:06                 ` Kai Huang
2022-02-02 17:08       ` Thomas Gleixner
2022-01-24 15:01 ` [PATCHv2 04/29] x86/traps: Add #VE support for TDX guest Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-02-01 21:02   ` Thomas Gleixner
2022-02-01 21:26     ` Sean Christopherson
2022-02-12  1:42     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-01-24 15:01 ` [PATCHv2 05/29] x86/tdx: Add HLT support for TDX guests Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-01-29 14:53   ` Borislav Petkov
2022-01-29 22:30     ` [PATCHv2.1 " Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-02-01 21:21       ` Thomas Gleixner
2022-02-02 12:48         ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-02-02 17:17           ` Thomas Gleixner
2022-02-04 16:55             ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-02-07 22:52               ` Sean Christopherson
2022-02-09 14:34                 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-02-09 18:05                   ` Sean Christopherson
2022-02-09 22:23                     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-02-10  1:21                       ` Sean Christopherson
2022-01-24 15:01 ` [PATCHv2 06/29] x86/tdx: Add MSR " Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-02-01 21:38   ` Thomas Gleixner
2022-02-02 13:06     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-02-02 17:18       ` Thomas Gleixner
2022-01-24 15:01 ` [PATCHv2 07/29] x86/tdx: Handle CPUID via #VE Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-02-01 21:39   ` Thomas Gleixner
2022-01-24 15:01 ` [PATCHv2 08/29] x86/tdx: Handle in-kernel MMIO Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-01-24 19:30   ` Josh Poimboeuf
2022-01-24 22:08     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-01-24 23:04       ` Josh Poimboeuf
2022-01-24 22:40   ` Dave Hansen
2022-01-24 23:04     ` [PATCHv2.1 " Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-02-01 16:14       ` Borislav Petkov
2022-02-01 22:30   ` [PATCHv2 " Thomas Gleixner
2022-01-24 15:01 ` [PATCHv2 09/29] x86/tdx: Detect TDX at early kernel decompression time Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-02-01 18:30   ` Borislav Petkov
2022-02-01 22:33   ` Thomas Gleixner
2022-01-24 15:01 ` [PATCHv2 10/29] x86: Consolidate port I/O helpers Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-02-01 22:36   ` Thomas Gleixner
2022-01-24 15:01 ` [PATCHv2 11/29] x86/boot: Allow to hook up alternative " Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-02-01 19:02   ` Borislav Petkov
2022-02-01 22:39   ` Thomas Gleixner
2022-02-01 22:53     ` Thomas Gleixner
2022-02-02 17:20       ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-02-02 19:05         ` Thomas Gleixner
2022-01-24 15:01 ` [PATCHv2 12/29] x86/boot/compressed: Support TDX guest port I/O at decompression time Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-02-01 22:55   ` Thomas Gleixner
2022-01-24 15:01 ` [PATCHv2 13/29] x86/tdx: Add port I/O emulation Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-02-01 23:01   ` Thomas Gleixner
2022-02-02  6:22   ` Borislav Petkov
2022-01-24 15:02 ` [PATCHv2 14/29] x86/tdx: Early boot handling of port I/O Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-02-01 23:02   ` Thomas Gleixner
2022-02-02 10:09   ` Borislav Petkov
2022-01-24 15:02 ` [PATCHv2 15/29] x86/tdx: Wire up KVM hypercalls Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-02-01 23:05   ` Thomas Gleixner
2022-01-24 15:02 ` [PATCHv2 16/29] x86/boot: Add a trampoline for booting APs via firmware handoff Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-02-01 23:06   ` Thomas Gleixner
2022-02-02 11:27   ` Borislav Petkov
2022-02-04 11:27     ` Kuppuswamy, Sathyanarayanan
2022-02-04 13:49       ` Borislav Petkov
2022-02-15 21:36         ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-02-16 10:07           ` Borislav Petkov
2022-02-16 14:10             ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-02-10  0:25       ` Kai Huang
2022-01-24 15:02 ` [PATCHv2 17/29] x86/acpi, x86/boot: Add multiprocessor wake-up support Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-02-01 23:27   ` Thomas Gleixner
2022-02-05 12:37     ` Kuppuswamy, Sathyanarayanan
2022-01-24 15:02 ` [PATCHv2 18/29] x86/boot: Avoid #VE during boot for TDX platforms Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-02-02  0:04   ` Thomas Gleixner
2022-02-11 16:13     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-01-24 15:02 ` [PATCHv2 19/29] x86/topology: Disable CPU online/offline control for TDX guests Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-02-02  0:09   ` Thomas Gleixner
2022-02-02  0:11     ` Thomas Gleixner
2022-02-03 15:00       ` Borislav Petkov
2022-02-03 21:26         ` Thomas Gleixner
2022-01-24 15:02 ` [PATCHv2 20/29] x86/tdx: Get page shared bit info from the TDX module Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-02-02  0:14   ` Thomas Gleixner
2022-02-07 22:27     ` Sean Christopherson
2022-02-07 10:44   ` Borislav Petkov
2022-01-24 15:02 ` [PATCHv2 21/29] x86/tdx: Exclude shared bit from __PHYSICAL_MASK Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-02-02  0:18   ` Thomas Gleixner
2022-01-24 15:02 ` [PATCHv2 22/29] x86/tdx: Make pages shared in ioremap() Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-02-02  0:25   ` Thomas Gleixner
2022-02-02 19:27     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-02-02 19:47       ` Thomas Gleixner
2022-02-07 16:27   ` Borislav Petkov
2022-02-07 16:57     ` Dave Hansen
2022-02-07 17:28       ` Borislav Petkov
2022-02-14 22:09         ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-02-15 10:50           ` Borislav Petkov
2022-02-15 14:49           ` Tom Lendacky
2022-02-15 15:41             ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-02-15 15:55               ` Tom Lendacky
2022-02-15 16:27                 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-02-15 16:34                   ` Dave Hansen
2022-02-15 17:33                     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-02-16  9:58                       ` Borislav Petkov
2022-02-16 15:37                         ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-02-17 15:24                           ` Borislav Petkov
2022-01-24 15:02 ` [PATCHv2 23/29] x86/tdx: Add helper to convert memory between shared and private Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-02-02  0:35   ` Thomas Gleixner
2022-02-08 12:12   ` Borislav Petkov
2022-02-09 23:21     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-01-24 15:02 ` [PATCHv2 24/29] x86/mm/cpa: Add support for TDX shared memory Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-02-02  1:27   ` Thomas Gleixner
2022-01-24 15:02 ` [PATCHv2 25/29] x86/kvm: Use bounce buffers for TD guest Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-01-24 15:02 ` [PATCHv2 26/29] x86/tdx: ioapic: Add shared bit for IOAPIC base address Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-02-02  1:33   ` Thomas Gleixner
2022-02-04 22:09     ` Yamahata, Isaku
2022-02-04 22:31     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-02-07 14:08       ` Tom Lendacky
2022-01-24 15:02 ` [PATCHv2 27/29] ACPICA: Avoid cache flush on TDX guest Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-01-24 15:02 ` [PATCHv2 28/29] x86/tdx: Warn about unexpected WBINVD Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-02-02  1:46   ` Thomas Gleixner [this message]
2022-02-04 21:35     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-01-24 15:02 ` [PATCHv2 29/29] Documentation/x86: Document TDX kernel architecture Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-02-24  9:08   ` Xiaoyao Li
2022-02-09 10:56 ` [PATCHv2 00/29] TDX Guest: TDX core support Kai Huang
2022-02-09 11:08   ` Borislav Petkov
2022-02-09 11:30     ` Kai Huang
2022-02-09 11:40       ` Borislav Petkov
2022-02-09 11:48         ` Kai Huang
2022-02-09 11:56           ` Borislav Petkov
2022-02-09 11:58             ` Kai Huang
2022-02-09 16:50             ` Sean Christopherson
2022-02-09 19:11               ` Borislav Petkov
2022-02-09 20:07                 ` Sean Christopherson
2022-02-09 20:36                   ` Borislav Petkov
2022-02-10  0:05                     ` Kai Huang
2022-02-16 16:08                       ` Sean Christopherson
2022-02-16 15:48                     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-02-17 15:19                       ` Borislav Petkov
2022-02-17 15:26                         ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-02-17 15:34                           ` Borislav Petkov
2022-02-17 15:29                         ` Sean Christopherson
2022-02-17 15:31                           ` Borislav Petkov

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