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From: John Ogness <john.ogness@linutronix.de>
To: Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com>
Cc: Sergey Senozhatsky <senozhatsky@chromium.org>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH printk 06/18] printk: Protect [un]register_console() with a mutex
Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2022 22:32:32 +0206	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87zgeg7gnb.fsf@jogness.linutronix.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <YzcvvPargLYDHhgq@alley>

On 2022-09-30, Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com> wrote:
> You want to get cosole_lock() out of the way of NOBKL consoles. What
> does it exactly mean, please?

It means that a system with only NOBKL consoles will never take the
console_lock.

> What code paths are important to achieve this?

Anything that iterates or queries the consoles is taking the
console_lock right now. We want that code to use something else for
those tasks (console_srcu, console_mutex, atomic_state).

> From my POV, the most important code path is the kthread. But
> it should use SRCU. I mean that the kthread will take neither
> cosnole_lock() nor console_list_lock().

All iterators and querying are important because they need a safe
interface that does not rely on console_lock.

> Is there any other code path where console_list_lock() will help
> you to get console_lock() out of the way?

The difficulty arises because we are trying to share as much code as
possible. So, for example, NOBKL consoles are sitting on the same list
as legacy consoles. And since currently the list is protected by the
console_lock, we need to change how that list is protected.

> From my POV, both locks serialize the same things
> (console_list manipulation).

My v2 will hopefully change your POV. I will make it clear (in comments
and implementation) that the console_lock does _not_ protect the console
list. All iteration and querying will have no choice but to use the new
mechanisms for list iteration and checking/setting CON_ENABLED.

Then the console_lock's only function is to block legacy consoles from
printing and making sure that multiple legacy consoles are not printing
in parallel. And, of course, it will still function as a general BKL
lock for fbdev, which may be relying on its locking function to
synchronize some fbdev data.

Note that the end result will be no change in behavior for legacy
consoles. But it allows legacy and NOBKL consoles to run simultaneously
while sharing significant amounts of code, and provides a clear path for
console drivers to begin converting. As a side-effect, the first step of
reducing the scope of the console_lock will have been taken.

John

  reply	other threads:[~2022-09-30 20:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 76+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-09-24  0:04 [PATCH printk 00/18] preparation for threaded/atomic printing John Ogness
2022-09-24  0:04 ` [PATCH printk 01/18] printk: Make pr_flush() static John Ogness
2022-09-26 14:12   ` Petr Mladek
2022-09-24  0:04 ` [PATCH printk 02/18] printk: Declare log_wait properly John Ogness
2022-09-26 14:22   ` Petr Mladek
2022-09-24  0:04 ` [PATCH printk 03/18] printk: Remove write only variable nr_ext_console_drivers John Ogness
2022-09-26 14:25   ` Petr Mladek
2022-09-24  0:04 ` [PATCH printk 04/18] printk: Remove bogus comment vs. boot consoles John Ogness
2022-09-26 14:26   ` Petr Mladek
2022-09-24  0:04 ` [PATCH printk 05/18] printk: Mark __printk percpu data ready __ro_after_init John Ogness
2022-09-26 14:27   ` Petr Mladek
2022-09-24  0:04 ` [PATCH printk 06/18] printk: Protect [un]register_console() with a mutex John Ogness
2022-09-24  9:31   ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2022-09-27 15:16   ` Petr Mladek
2022-09-28  9:46     ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2022-09-28 23:42     ` John Ogness
2022-09-29 15:43       ` Petr Mladek
2022-09-30  9:24         ` Petr Mladek
2022-09-30 14:16           ` John Ogness
2022-09-30 18:04             ` Petr Mladek
2022-09-30 20:26               ` John Ogness [this message]
2022-10-03 14:37                 ` Petr Mladek
2022-10-03 19:35                   ` John Ogness
2022-10-04  2:06                     ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2022-10-04  7:28                     ` Petr Mladek
2022-09-30 13:30         ` John Ogness
2022-09-24  0:04 ` [PATCH printk 07/18] printk: Convert console list walks for readers to list lock John Ogness
2022-09-27 14:07   ` Petr Mladek
2022-09-24  0:04 ` [PATCH printk 08/18] parisc: Put console abuse into one place John Ogness
2022-09-24  0:20   ` Steven Rostedt
2022-09-30  7:54   ` Petr Mladek
2022-09-24  0:04 ` [PATCH printk 09/18] serial: kgdboc: Lock console list in probe function John Ogness
2022-09-28 23:32   ` Doug Anderson
2022-09-30  8:07   ` Petr Mladek
2022-09-24  0:04 ` [PATCH printk 10/18] kgbd: Pretend that console list walk is safe John Ogness
2022-09-26  9:33   ` Aaron Tomlin
2022-09-28 23:32   ` Doug Anderson
2022-09-30  8:39     ` Petr Mladek
2022-09-30 13:44       ` John Ogness
2022-09-30 17:27         ` Petr Mladek
2022-09-24  0:04 ` [PATCH printk 11/18] printk: Convert console_drivers list to hlist John Ogness
2022-09-24 10:53   ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2022-09-24 17:20   ` Helge Deller
2022-09-25  0:43     ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2022-09-24 17:27   ` Helge Deller
2022-09-25  4:33   ` kernel test robot
2022-09-30 14:20   ` Petr Mladek
2022-09-30 16:53     ` Helge Deller
2022-09-30 19:46       ` John Ogness
2022-09-30 22:41         ` Helge Deller
2022-09-24  0:04 ` [PATCH printk 12/18] printk: Prepare for SCRU console list protection John Ogness
2022-09-24 10:58   ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2022-09-24  0:04 ` [PATCH printk 13/18] printk: Move buffer size defines John Ogness
2022-09-24 11:01   ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2022-10-07  9:11   ` Petr Mladek
2022-09-24  0:04 ` [PATCH printk 14/18] printk: Document struct console John Ogness
2022-09-24 11:08   ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2022-10-07 11:57   ` Petr Mladek
2022-09-24  0:04 ` [PATCH printk 15/18] printk: Add struct cons_text_buf John Ogness
2022-09-24 11:09   ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2022-10-07 15:15   ` Petr Mladek
2022-09-24  0:04 ` [PATCH printk 16/18] printk: Use " John Ogness
2022-09-24 11:34   ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2022-10-10 10:11   ` Petr Mladek
2022-09-24  0:04 ` [PATCH printk 17/18] printk: Use an output descriptor struct for emit John Ogness
2022-10-10 15:40   ` Petr Mladek
2022-09-24  0:04 ` [PATCH printk 18/18] printk: Handle dropped message smarter John Ogness
2022-09-26  4:19   ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2022-09-26  7:54     ` John Ogness
2022-09-26  9:18       ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2022-10-10 16:07       ` Petr Mladek
2022-09-26  9:22   ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2022-09-24  6:44 ` [PATCH printk 00/18] preparation for threaded/atomic printing Greg Kroah-Hartman
2022-09-25 15:23   ` John Ogness
2022-09-24  9:47 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2022-09-29 16:33 ` Petr Mladek

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