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From: Nathan Rutman <Nathan_Rutman@xyratex.com>
To: lustre-devel@lists.lustre.org
Subject: [Lustre-devel] NRS HLD
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2011 08:39:50 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <8C4CE53E-8A87-43FE-B27F-F44B5E3D7550@us.xyratex.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <88C87A8C-8DB5-4602-863B-9B77FF93C0D1@whamcloud.com>

I think there is a whole slew of interesting possibilities to try out once an infrastructure for implementing different policies is in place. We're trying to get that infrastructure established first; we will be able to switch between policies dynamically to see their effects and optimize performance. People will be able to easily add new policies to test. 
You raise a good point about the SMP scaling patches; we will have to take a close look to make sure we don't undo any of the work you've done there. 

On Jul 2, 2011, at 3:49 AM, "Liang Zhen" <liang@whamcloud.com> wrote:

> Hi Nikitas,
> 
> It's a very interesting document, thanks for sharing these great ideas.
> May I ask whether there are any tests/numbers based on OBRR description
> in HLD? We always want to see numbers from these algorithms, unfortunately
> there is no reliable testing result from the patch on BZ 13634.
> 
> We are actually considering about NRS as well, although we don't have a
> formal design document like this HLD, but we'd like to share a few
> preliminary ideas for discussion:
> 
> - Target Based Round Robin (TBRR) probably is something worth to have
> 
>  Briefly, it's just load balancing over OSTs to improve overall server
>  performance.
> 
> - Fairness for clients and resource control for jobs
> 
>  I think they are similar to CBRR and UBRR described in your document
>  though I didn't see too much detail about them in the HLD.
>  Personally, I think they are important and we probably will do some tests
>  for CBRR survey very soon.
> 
>  . Client-Based Round Robin (CBRR) can guarantee the server responses
>    to all clients fairly, and get whole-cluster load balancing, improve
>    concurrency of clients and jobs, and get better overall performance.
> 
>  . resource control for jobs, some users complained that a busy job will
>    hog all resources on servers, and make the cluster not usable for other
>    control command or sysadmin. So it might be helpful to support job
>    resource control inside NRS.
> 
> - Layering NRS polices
> 
>  Of course, OBRR is very important policy for NRS, but it might be
>  helpful to have multiple polices working at the same time, i.e:
> 
>  . bind OSTs on CPU partitions on NUMA system(please see more detail at
>    http://jira.whamcloud.com/browse/LU-56)
> 
>  . Service threads on each CPU partition can do TBRR for bound OSTs. If
>    there is no CPU partition (like current Lustre) or OSTs are not bound
>    on CPU partitions, service threads just do round robin over all OSTs.
> 
>  . OBRR inside each OST
> 
>  . of course, these layers should be tunable.
> 
> - Overhead of layerd polices
>  . there definitely will be some overhead for inserting/removing
>    request from these queues (or whatever), so we want some very scalable
>    algorithms to implement these polices.
> 
> Again, these are just some preliminary ideas, so we would appreciate any
> comment and suggestion.
> 
> Thanks
> Liang
> 
> 
> On Jun 30, 2011, at 11:49 PM, Nikitas Angelinas wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> There is a slightly more up-to-date version of the HLD, which I am
>> attaching.
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Nikitas
>> 
>> On Wed, 2011-06-29 at 12:55 -0700, Nathan Rutman wrote:
>>> Sharing with the community.  All comments welcome.
>>> This HLD (high-level design) for a Network Request Scheduler is more
>>> about infrastructure than algorithm.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> We're actually in the DLD (detailed-level design) stage at the moment
>>> (sorry it didn't occur to me to 
>>> post this earlier).  I'll post the DLD after some minor revision.
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  reply	other threads:[~2011-07-02 15:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 10+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-06-29 19:55 [Lustre-devel] NRS HLD Nathan Rutman
2011-06-30 15:49 ` Nikitas Angelinas
2011-07-02 10:48   ` Liang Zhen
2011-07-02 15:39     ` Nathan Rutman [this message]
2011-07-05  9:20       ` Liang Zhen
2011-07-07 14:34         ` Nikitas Angelinas
2011-07-09  3:34           ` Liang Zhen
2011-07-09  7:53             ` Andreas Dilger
2011-07-11  8:20               ` Liang Zhen
2011-07-11 19:46                 ` Andreas Dilger

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