From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=3.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 446EEC282DC for ; Sun, 2 Jun 2019 18:07:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [209.132.180.67]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1591F27977 for ; Sun, 2 Jun 2019 18:07:00 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; dkim=fail reason="key not found in DNS" (0-bit key) header.d=jilayne.com header.i=@jilayne.com header.b="hCKmEPuI" Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1726170AbfFBSHA (ORCPT ); Sun, 2 Jun 2019 14:07:00 -0400 Received: from mx2-c1.supremebox.com ([198.23.53.234]:59716 "EHLO mx1.supremebox.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-FAIL) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1726656AbfFBSHA (ORCPT ); Sun, 2 Jun 2019 14:07:00 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=jilayne.com ; s=default; h=To:References:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Cc:Date: In-Reply-To:From:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:Content-ID :Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To: Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe :List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=SkDw4nRLb7y/3VBk0Px6tWwoEKZLR1wKkHTmzCaaHno=; b=hCKmEPuITSJTndWQMhmVek88ib 8c24ZWHz3QHTJUClXFnXawgRUEHbC8X6E32IsBsnQj90wLaXXOkVwS7P8WyGFhS2HHVSrDXHGvEzB 0BVHYCuQxf8GGGOdZsL1l3JUSwFwo85AnKxV9DaxCYvZSjilpOBTXocI0uiK7uZCKubA=; Received: from [67.164.173.226] (helo=[10.0.0.70]) by mx1.supremebox.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hXUsk-0000rF-Eg; Sun, 02 Jun 2019 18:06:58 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) Subject: Re: [Batch 5 - patch 24/25] treewide: Replace GPLv2 boilerplate/reference with SPDX - rule 124 From: J Lovejoy In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2019 12:06:57 -0600 Cc: Kate Stewart , Allison Randal , linux-spdx@vger.kernel.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <8DFC45CC-36B1-4AFC-9E28-F3FE85371461@jilayne.com> References: <20190523091437.334232837@linutronix.de> <20190523091651.596776854@linutronix.de> <7e67dcba-525e-993d-5c3d-0f902022f270@lohutok.net> To: Thomas Gleixner X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) X-Sender-Ident-agJab5osgicCis: opensource@jilayne.com Sender: linux-spdx-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-spdx@vger.kernel.org > On May 24, 2019, at 6:33 AM, Thomas Gleixner = wrote: >=20 > On Fri, 24 May 2019, Kate Stewart wrote: >> On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 12:50 AM Thomas Gleixner = wrote: >>> On Thu, 23 May 2019, Allison Randal wrote: >>>> On 5/23/19 5:52 AM, Thomas Gleixner wrote: >>>>> On Thu, 23 May 2019, Thomas Gleixner wrote: >>>>>> - * >>>>>> - * This program is distributed "as is" WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY of = any kind, >>>>>> - * whether express or implied; without even the implied warranty = of >>>>>> - * MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the = GNU >>>>>> - * General Public License for more details. >>>>>=20 >>>>> A new variant of the scheme ... >>>>=20 >>>> Agreed on holding this one in the pile for further review. In this = case, >>>> I'd say it's not materially different than the GPL-style = disclaimer, >>>> even though it uses the BSD-style "as is" text. >>>=20 >>> Right. My gut feeling would have waved it through, but the pattern = matching >>> machine flagged it and while IANAL i started to become ANAL about = these >>> details... >>>=20 >> Agree, in the messy set it belongs. >=20 > Which brings me to the question about these disclaimers in general. = The FSF > proposed short disclaimer says: >=20 > This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful, > but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of > MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the > GNU General Public License for more details. >=20 > It points to the GPL for details and that (the in kernel variant of = v2) > says: >=20 > NO WARRANTY >=20 > 11. BECAUSE THE PROGRAM IS LICENSED FREE OF CHARGE, THERE IS NO = WARRANTY > FOR THE PROGRAM, TO THE EXTENT PERMITTED BY APPLICABLE LAW. EXCEPT = WHEN > OTHERWISE STATED IN WRITING THE COPYRIGHT HOLDERS AND/OR OTHER PARTIES > PROVIDE THE PROGRAM "AS IS" WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND, EITHER = EXPRESSED > OR IMPLIED, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, THE IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF > MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. THE ENTIRE RISK = AS > TO THE QUALITY AND PERFORMANCE OF THE PROGRAM IS WITH YOU. SHOULD THE > PROGRAM PROVE DEFECTIVE, YOU ASSUME THE COST OF ALL NECESSARY = SERVICING, > REPAIR OR CORRECTION. >=20 > 12. IN NO EVENT UNLESS REQUIRED BY APPLICABLE LAW OR AGREED TO IN = WRITING > WILL ANY COPYRIGHT HOLDER, OR ANY OTHER PARTY WHO MAY MODIFY AND/OR > REDISTRIBUTE THE PROGRAM AS PERMITTED ABOVE, BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR = DAMAGES, > INCLUDING ANY GENERAL, SPECIAL, INCIDENTAL OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES = ARISING > OUT OF THE USE OR INABILITY TO USE THE PROGRAM (INCLUDING BUT NOT = LIMITED > TO LOSS OF DATA OR DATA BEING RENDERED INACCURATE OR LOSSES SUSTAINED = BY > YOU OR THIRD PARTIES OR A FAILURE OF THE PROGRAM TO OPERATE WITH ANY = OTHER > PROGRAMS), EVEN IF SUCH HOLDER OR OTHER PARTY HAS BEEN ADVISED OF THE > POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES. >=20 > So it would be interesting to investigate which of the modified = disclaimers > actually says something substantually different than the detailed = version. >=20 yes, once we have collected the full set of additional/different = disclaimers, I think the next step is to do this kind of analysis. I = suspect a bunch will be fine from this perspective, and then we can = focus on what to do with the ones that are truly different or extend the = disclaimer in some substantive way. Jilayne