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From: kaih@khms.westfalen.de (Kai Henningsen)
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thunder@ngforever.de (Thunder from the hill)  wrote on 10.06.02 in <Pine.LNX.4.44.0206100808180.6159-100000@hawkeye.luckynet.adm>:

> On Mon, 10 Jun 2002, Helge Hafting wrote:
> > ls /dev/net
> > eth0 eth1 eth2 ippp0
>
> What is it worth? You have a few more files which you can't do anything
> with, and ifconfig output is much more greppable etc.

Ifconfig output is *WHAT*?!

Ifconfig output, to be parsed by a script, is one of the shittiest  
interfaces possible.

Look at this, and then tell me again that "ifconfig output is much more  
greppable"!

# ifconfig eth0
eth0      Protokoll:Ethernet  Hardware Adresse 00:50:FC:0C:63:69
          inet Adresse:10.0.41.2  Bcast:10.255.255.255  Maske:255.255.255.0
          EtherTalk Phase 2 Adresse:65280/237
          UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
          RX packets:26841078 errors:4240 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
          TX packets:26134055 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
          Kollisionen:8481
          RX bytes:60708618 (57.8 MiB)  TX bytes:2654812652 (2.4 GiB)

# LANG= ifconfig eth0
eth0      Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:50:FC:0C:63:69
          inet addr:10.0.41.2  Bcast:10.255.255.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
          EtherTalk Phase 2 addr:65280/237
          UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
          RX packets:26841182 errors:4240 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
          TX packets:26134181 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
          collisions:8481
          RX bytes:60727233 (57.9 MiB)  TX bytes:2654827939 (2.4 GiB)

#

Even rooting around in /proc is better than this!

> I remember these network devices from Solaris. There wasn't any good about
> them IIRC, the only sane way of working with them was to work around them,
> i.e. ignoring. Do you want a /dev/ignoreme directory?

I have no idea what Solaris did, nor do I necessarily want to know, but I  
*do* have experience with what Linux does, and I'm certainly not  
impressed.

Given that I've fairly often been irritated about not having these things  
be filesystem nodes, I'd expect there to *be* benefit in having them in  
the filesystem if this is done halfway reasonable.

MfG Kai