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From: "Guilhem Bonnefille" <guilhem.bonnefille@gmail.com>
To: "Tomash Brechko" <tomash.brechko@gmail.com>
Cc: git@vger.kernel.org, "Pietro Mascagni" <pietromas@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: GIT vs Other: Need argument
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 17:41:27 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <8b65902a0704170841q64fe0828mdefe78963394a616@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070417104520.GB4946@moonlight.home>

I'm new to Git, but completly crazy of it.

In my point of view, in corporate team, lot of people does not
want/need the power offered by Git.
So, my conclusion is the better model in a corporate is a centralyzed
repo with some users using Git as "frontend". Other people will simply
use the native tools for accessing the repo.

I didn't try Git with CVS repo but seems less usable in day to day
work than a SVN repo with git-svn FANTASTIC tool.

So the problem is simply now: how to convince people to migrate from
CVS to SVN. This will be really less difficult as CVS and SVN are
quite similar.

On 4/17/07, Tomash Brechko <tomash.brechko@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 17, 2007 at 10:02:18 +0100, Pietro Mascagni wrote:
> > So, in 15 seconds, how does one argue that GIT is vastly superior to
> > other version control software, especially CVS.
>
> I think you are not talking about choosing SCM for a new project, as
> it is even _hard to imagine_ that one would consider CVS nowadays :).
> And if you are trying to convince people to do the migration from CVS
> to GIT, then technical points alone won't probably help you.  GIT, and
> actually most modern SCMs, are superior to CVS not simply because they
> have some CVS's features improved, and some nice features added.
> Modern SCMs implement completely different workflow model.  GIT's own
> power in its rich toolset, but until people learn (or at least are
> willing to learn) what the workflow is, and how it is supported by
> these tools, there's little advantage in migration.  You can't really
> explain why 'git commit; git push' into some central repository is
> better than 'cvs commit', and pushing after every commit is what
> people will be doing at first ;).  You should also realize that the
> whole process is probably already built around CVS (CVS-specific
> hooks, scripts that access CVS, say, for nightly testing, etc), that
> would also have to be reimplemented.
>
> You may consider another route: create a GIT mirror of CVS repository,
> and update it, say, daily, with git-cvsimport.  Clone from this
> mirror, and work with your own GIT tree, pushing back to CVS with
> git-cvsexportcommit.  Yes, you will be dealing with problems that
> wouldn't be there in the first place if everyone would use GIT, and
> you will basically use CVS workflow, but still, this way is quite
> manageable.  Then approach the most promising guy in the company, and
> explain to him how you benefit from using GIT (gitk/qgit, git-bisect,
> StGIT are among your friends here :)).  As the saying goes, "Better to
> see once, then to hear about a hundred of times".  You are not
> interested in instant migration, and then being blamed if anything
> would go wrong.  When you will grow sufficient number of GIT experts
> in your company, then you will raise the migration question again.
>
>
> Good luck!
>
> --
>    Tomash Brechko
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  reply	other threads:[~2007-04-17 15:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 120+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-04-17  9:02 GIT vs Other: Need argument Pietro Mascagni
2007-04-17  9:13 ` Matthieu Moy
2007-04-17 10:26   ` Andy Parkins
2007-04-17 14:32     ` Alex Riesen
2007-04-17 10:37   ` Martin Langhoff
2007-04-17 15:28   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-17 17:07     ` Matthieu Moy
2007-04-17 10:33 ` Martin Langhoff
2007-04-17 14:39   ` Alex Riesen
2007-04-25  8:58     ` Dana How
2007-04-25 10:35       ` Alex Riesen
2007-04-17 10:45 ` Tomash Brechko
2007-04-17 15:41   ` Guilhem Bonnefille [this message]
2007-04-17 17:18     ` Andy Parkins
2007-04-17 17:30       ` Shawn O. Pearce
2007-04-17 19:36         ` Marcin Kasperski
2007-04-18 10:05           ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-04-18 16:07             ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-18 16:31               ` Nicolas Pitre
2007-04-18 16:49               ` Bill Lear
2007-04-18 17:43                 ` Matthieu Moy
2007-04-18 17:50                   ` Nicolas Pitre
2007-04-19 13:16                     ` Matthieu Moy
2007-04-19 18:44                       ` Petr Baudis
2007-04-20  9:04                         ` Matthieu Moy
2007-04-18 20:57                   ` Theodore Tso
2007-04-18 20:08               ` Guilhem Bonnefille
2007-04-18 20:19                 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-18 21:45                   ` Daniel Barkalow
2007-04-18 21:21                 ` Michael K. Edwards
2007-04-19  8:37                 ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-04-19 13:29                   ` Matthieu Moy
2007-04-19  9:24               ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-04-19 12:21                 ` Alex Riesen
2007-04-19 12:22                 ` Christian MICHON
2007-04-19 12:37                   ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-04-19 12:54                     ` Christian MICHON
2007-04-19 16:43                 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-19 17:49                   ` Marcin Kasperski
2007-04-19 20:57                     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-23 18:54                       ` Carl Worth
2007-04-23 19:52                         ` Josef Weidendorfer
2007-04-23 22:12                           ` Carl Worth
2007-04-23 22:23                         ` Junio C Hamano
2007-04-23 22:58                           ` Carl Worth
2007-04-23 23:24                             ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-23 23:55                               ` Brian Gernhardt
2007-04-24  1:31                               ` Daniel Barkalow
2007-04-24  5:15                               ` Junio C Hamano
2007-04-24 14:23                                 ` J. Bruce Fields
2007-04-24 15:01                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-30  4:31                                     ` J. Bruce Fields
2007-04-25 13:12                                 ` Making git disappear when talking about my code (was: Re: GIT vs Other: Need argument) Carl Worth
2007-04-25 14:09                                   ` Carl Worth
2007-04-25 14:55                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-25 16:28                                       ` Carl Worth
2007-04-25 18:07                                         ` Nicolas Pitre
2007-04-25 19:03                                           ` Carl Worth
2007-04-25 19:17                                             ` Making git disappear when talking about my code Junio C Hamano
2007-04-25 19:22                                               ` Nicolas Pitre
2007-04-25 20:26                                               ` Carl Worth
2007-04-25 20:23                                             ` Making git disappear when talking about my code (was: Re: GIT vs Other: Need argument) Nicolas Pitre
2007-04-25 14:51                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-25 19:44                                   ` Daniel Barkalow
2007-04-25 19:56                                     ` Making git disappear when talking about my code Junio C Hamano
2007-04-25 20:29                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-25 20:32                                       ` Nicolas Pitre
2007-04-25 21:38                                       ` Daniel Barkalow
2007-04-25 20:29                                     ` Making git disappear when talking about my code (was: Re: GIT vs Other: Need argument) Carl Worth
2007-04-25 22:39                                       ` Daniel Barkalow
2007-04-25 20:31                                     ` Nicolas Pitre
2007-04-23 23:22                         ` GIT vs Other: Need argument Junio C Hamano
2007-04-19 20:49                   ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-04-20 15:54                   ` History cleanup/rewriting script for git Jan Harkes
2007-04-20 18:39                     ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-04-20 18:44                       ` Petr Baudis
2007-04-20 20:36                       ` Jan Harkes
2007-04-19 12:15               ` GIT vs Other: Need argument Marcin Kasperski
2007-04-19 12:33                 ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-04-19 12:42                   ` Marcin Kasperski
2007-04-19 13:36                     ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-04-19 14:27                     ` J. Bruce Fields
2007-04-19 12:45                   ` Theodore Tso
2007-04-19 12:46               ` [ANNOUNCE] Cogito is for sale Petr Baudis
2007-04-19 13:32                 ` Matthieu Moy
2007-04-19 20:23                 ` Junio C Hamano
2007-04-19 20:42                   ` Johannes Schindelin
     [not found]             ` <1176984208.30690.18.camel@cauchy.softax.local>
2007-04-19 12:28               ` GIT vs Other: Need argument Johannes Schindelin
2007-04-19 12:37                 ` Marcin Kasperski
2007-04-19 13:32                   ` Johannes Schindelin
     [not found]           ` <200704172239.20124.andyparkins@gmail.com>
2007-04-19 11:59             ` Marcin Kasperski
2007-04-19 12:48               ` Alex Riesen
2007-04-19 12:57               ` Andy Parkins
2007-04-20  6:22               ` Shawn O. Pearce
2007-04-20 13:03                 ` Eric Blake
2007-04-18 12:40       ` Guilhem Bonnefille
2007-04-18 13:26         ` Andy Parkins
2007-04-18 17:08           ` Steven Grimm
2007-04-19  0:33             ` Jakub Narebski
2007-04-19  1:24               ` Steven Grimm
2007-04-19  2:08                 ` Jakub Narebski
2007-04-19  8:48                   ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-04-19  8:57                     ` Julian Phillips
2007-04-19 19:03                     ` Steven Grimm
2007-04-19 21:00                       ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-04-19  2:11                 ` Junio C Hamano
2007-04-19  6:02                   ` Junio C Hamano
2007-04-19 18:18                     ` Steven Grimm
2007-04-19 23:30                       ` Junio C Hamano
2007-04-20  5:32                         ` Shawn O. Pearce
2007-04-20  9:04                         ` Jakub Narebski
2007-04-20 10:18                         ` Karl Hasselström
2007-04-20 10:39                           ` Junio C Hamano
2007-04-20 13:57                             ` Petr Baudis
2007-04-20  8:36                       ` Junio C Hamano
2007-04-20 16:42                         ` Steven Grimm
2007-04-18 20:54           ` Yann Dirson
2007-04-18  3:09     ` Sam Vilain
2007-04-18 20:49   ` Yann Dirson
2007-04-25  8:55   ` Dana How

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