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Sun, 10 Mar 2019 09:40:08 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 0/3] btrfs: Performance profiler support To: Qu Wenruo , Anand Jain , linux-btrfs@vger.kernel.org References: <20190306061907.29685-1-wqu@suse.com> <857277d9-7a16-cea0-13c4-aec74cb77064@oracle.com> <0e04dd2c-a7b0-c4ce-6340-79c90578f4b5@suse.com> From: Nikolay Borisov Openpgp: preference=signencrypt Autocrypt: addr=nborisov@suse.com; prefer-encrypt=mutual; keydata= mQINBFiKBz4BEADNHZmqwhuN6EAzXj9SpPpH/nSSP8YgfwoOqwrP+JR4pIqRK0AWWeWCSwmZ T7g+RbfPFlmQp+EwFWOtABXlKC54zgSf+uulGwx5JAUFVUIRBmnHOYi/lUiE0yhpnb1KCA7f u/W+DkwGerXqhhe9TvQoGwgCKNfzFPZoM+gZrm+kWv03QLUCr210n4cwaCPJ0Nr9Z3c582xc bCUVbsjt7BN0CFa2BByulrx5xD9sDAYIqfLCcZetAqsTRGxM7LD0kh5WlKzOeAXj5r8DOrU2 GdZS33uKZI/kZJZVytSmZpswDsKhnGzRN1BANGP8sC+WD4eRXajOmNh2HL4P+meO1TlM3GLl EQd2shHFY0qjEo7wxKZI1RyZZ5AgJnSmehrPCyuIyVY210CbMaIKHUIsTqRgY5GaNME24w7h TyyVCy2qAM8fLJ4Vw5bycM/u5xfWm7gyTb9V1TkZ3o1MTrEsrcqFiRrBY94Rs0oQkZvunqia c+NprYSaOG1Cta14o94eMH271Kka/reEwSZkC7T+o9hZ4zi2CcLcY0DXj0qdId7vUKSJjEep c++s8ncFekh1MPhkOgNj8pk17OAESanmDwksmzh1j12lgA5lTFPrJeRNu6/isC2zyZhTwMWs k3LkcTa8ZXxh0RfWAqgx/ogKPk4ZxOXQEZetkEyTFghbRH2BIwARAQABtCNOaWtvbGF5IEJv cmlzb3YgPG5ib3Jpc292QHN1c2UuY29tPokCOAQTAQIAIgUCWIo48QIbAwYLCQgHAwIGFQgC CQoLBBYCAwECHgECF4AACgkQcb6CRuU/KFc0eg/9GLD3wTQz9iZHMFbjiqTCitD7B6dTLV1C ddZVlC8Hm/TophPts1bWZORAmYIihHHI1EIF19+bfIr46pvfTu0yFrJDLOADMDH+Ufzsfy2v HSqqWV/nOSWGXzh8bgg/ncLwrIdEwBQBN9SDS6aqsglagvwFD91UCg/TshLlRxD5BOnuzfzI Leyx2c6YmH7Oa1R4MX9Jo79SaKwdHt2yRN3SochVtxCyafDlZsE/efp21pMiaK1HoCOZTBp5 VzrIP85GATh18pN7YR9CuPxxN0V6IzT7IlhS4Jgj0NXh6vi1DlmKspr+FOevu4RVXqqcNTSS E2rycB2v6cttH21UUdu/0FtMBKh+rv8+yD49FxMYnTi1jwVzr208vDdRU2v7Ij/TxYt/v4O8 V+jNRKy5Fevca/1xroQBICXsNoFLr10X5IjmhAhqIH8Atpz/89ItS3+HWuE4BHB6RRLM0gy8 T7rN6ja+KegOGikp/VTwBlszhvfLhyoyjXI44Tf3oLSFM+8+qG3B7MNBHOt60CQlMkq0fGXd mm4xENl/SSeHsiomdveeq7cNGpHi6i6ntZK33XJLwvyf00PD7tip/GUj0Dic/ZUsoPSTF/mG EpuQiUZs8X2xjK/AS/l3wa4Kz2tlcOKSKpIpna7V1+CMNkNzaCOlbv7QwprAerKYywPCoOSC 7P25Ag0EWIoHPgEQAMiUqvRBZNvPvki34O/dcTodvLSyOmK/MMBDrzN8Cnk302XfnGlW/YAQ csMWISKKSpStc6tmD+2Y0z9WjyRqFr3EGfH1RXSv9Z1vmfPzU42jsdZn667UxrRcVQXUgoKg QYx055Q2FdUeaZSaivoIBD9WtJq/66UPXRRr4H/+Y5FaUZx+gWNGmBT6a0S/GQnHb9g3nonD jmDKGw+YO4P6aEMxyy3k9PstaoiyBXnzQASzdOi39BgWQuZfIQjN0aW+Dm8kOAfT5i/yk59h VV6v3NLHBjHVw9kHli3jwvsizIX9X2W8tb1SefaVxqvqO1132AO8V9CbE1DcVT8fzICvGi42 FoV/k0QOGwq+LmLf0t04Q0csEl+h69ZcqeBSQcIMm/Ir+NorfCr6HjrB6lW7giBkQl6hhomn l1mtDP6MTdbyYzEiBFcwQD4terc7S/8ELRRybWQHQp7sxQM/Lnuhs77MgY/e6c5AVWnMKd/z MKm4ru7A8+8gdHeydrRQSWDaVbfy3Hup0Ia76J9FaolnjB8YLUOJPdhI2vbvNCQ2ipxw3Y3c KhVIpGYqwdvFIiz0Fej7wnJICIrpJs/+XLQHyqcmERn3s/iWwBpeogrx2Lf8AGezqnv9woq7 OSoWlwXDJiUdaqPEB/HmGfqoRRN20jx+OOvuaBMPAPb+aKJyle8zABEBAAGJAh8EGAECAAkF AliKBz4CGwwACgkQcb6CRuU/KFdacg/+M3V3Ti9JYZEiIyVhqs+yHb6NMI1R0kkAmzsGQ1jU zSQUz9AVMR6T7v2fIETTT/f5Oout0+Hi9cY8uLpk8CWno9V9eR/B7Ifs2pAA8lh2nW43FFwp IDiSuDbH6oTLmiGCB206IvSuaQCp1fed8U6yuqGFcnf0ZpJm/sILG2ECdFK9RYnMIaeqlNQm iZicBY2lmlYFBEaMXHoy+K7nbOuizPWdUKoKHq+tmZ3iA+qL5s6Qlm4trH28/fPpFuOmgP8P K+7LpYLNSl1oQUr+WlqilPAuLcCo5Vdl7M7VFLMq4xxY/dY99aZx0ZJQYFx0w/6UkbDdFLzN upT7NIN68lZRucImffiWyN7CjH23X3Tni8bS9ubo7OON68NbPz1YIaYaHmnVQCjDyDXkQoKC R82Vf9mf5slj0Vlpf+/Wpsv/TH8X32ajva37oEQTkWNMsDxyw3aPSps6MaMafcN7k60y2Wk/ TCiLsRHFfMHFY6/lq/c0ZdOsGjgpIK0G0z6et9YU6MaPuKwNY4kBdjPNBwHreucrQVUdqRRm RcxmGC6ohvpqVGfhT48ZPZKZEWM+tZky0mO7bhZYxMXyVjBn4EoNTsXy1et9Y1dU3HVJ8fod 5UqrNrzIQFbdeM0/JqSLrtlTcXKJ7cYFa9ZM2AP7UIN9n1UWxq+OPY9YMOewVfYtL8M= Message-ID: <913b2ba4-5a3c-974e-10d0-26d65d4175ee@suse.com> Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2019 11:40:07 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: linux-btrfs-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-btrfs@vger.kernel.org On 10.03.19 г. 11:34 ч., Qu Wenruo wrote: > > > On 2019/3/10 下午5:29, Nikolay Borisov wrote: >> >> >> On 10.03.19 г. 5:08 ч., Anand Jain wrote: >>> >>>  I agree we need btrfs specific performance measurements and its >>>  my list too. >>> >>>  However my idea was to add it as a btrfs-progs subcommand such as >>> >>>    btrfs inspect perf ... >>> >>>  And implement by using the systemtap/perf/bpf/dtrace, as these >>>  can tap the kernel functions from the useland using which we >>>  can measure the time taken and no kernel changes will be required. >>>  But yes we need to update the btrfs-progs if we rename the kernel >>>  function, which I think is ok. >>> >>>  I was too early trying this with bpf before, probably there are >>>  more tools now to do that same thing. >> >> This is way too developer oriented to be included in the generic btrfs >> tools. Frankly bpf makes sense but only as a separate script being >> developed and possibly shared on github or whatnot so that other >> interested people can use it. However, integrating with btrfs-progs >> definitely seems the wrong thing to do. >> >> On the same note - I'm highly against this patchset landing in the kernel. > > Are you against the interface part or the btrfs specific perf part? > > For the first half, indeed the new sysfs is not good and I'm OK to move > to any more established interface. > > For the later half, if bfp/ftrace can do the same work, then I'm fine. > Otherwise the need is still here, both developer or experienced sys > admin will need this feature. I'm against this functionality being part of btrfs. What would be more useful is a set of bpf scripts which might very well be developed alongside the main project. They will be a lot more flexible also they will add overhead only when you really need them, whereas the current approach AFAIK (I might be wrong, correct me if so) always accumulates certain stats irrespective of whether the sys admin needs them or not? At the very least you will sprinkle code such as : 'if (perf measurement enabled) ..... ' I'd really we didn't add this clutter. > > Thanks, > Qu > >