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From: Nadav Amit <namit@vmware.com>
To: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Andrew Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, X86 ML <x86@kernel.org>,
	Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	"Woodhouse, David" <dwmw@amazon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 1/5] x86: introduce preemption disable prefix
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2018 16:47:07 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <925F22EA-F8CB-4194-B96B-378409ED7918@vmware.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALCETrXEG8OrMpB3VBS9RF41O_MwtPmXBazkdSGE0ohZmXDcBw@mail.gmail.com>

at 8:51 PM, Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net> wrote:

> On Wed, Oct 17, 2018 at 8:12 PM Nadav Amit <namit@vmware.com> wrote:
>> at 6:22 PM, Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net> wrote:
>> 
>>>> On Oct 17, 2018, at 5:54 PM, Nadav Amit <namit@vmware.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> It is sometimes beneficial to prevent preemption for very few
>>>> instructions, or prevent preemption for some instructions that precede
>>>> a branch (this latter case will be introduced in the next patches).
>>>> 
>>>> To provide such functionality on x86-64, we use an empty REX-prefix
>>>> (opcode 0x40) as an indication that preemption is disabled for the
>>>> following instruction.
>>> 
>>> Nifty!
>>> 
>>> That being said, I think you have a few bugs. First, you can’t just ignore
>>> a rescheduling interrupt, as you introduce unbounded latency when this
>>> happens — you’re effectively emulating preempt_enable_no_resched(), which
>>> is not a drop-in replacement for preempt_enable(). To fix this, you may
>>> need to jump to a slow-path trampoline that calls schedule() at the end or
>>> consider rewinding one instruction instead. Or use TF, which is only a
>>> little bit terrifying…
>> 
>> Yes, I didn’t pay enough attention here. For my use-case, I think that the
>> easiest solution would be to make synchronize_sched() ignore preemptions
>> that happen while the prefix is detected. It would slightly change the
>> meaning of the prefix.

So thinking about it further, rewinding the instruction seems the easiest
and most robust solution. I’ll do it.

>>> You also aren’t accounting for the case where you get an exception that
>>> is, in turn, preempted.
>> 
>> Hmm.. Can you give me an example for such an exception in my use-case? I
>> cannot think of an exception that might be preempted (assuming #BP, #MC
>> cannot be preempted).
> 
> Look for cond_local_irq_enable().

I looked at it. Yet, I still don’t see how exceptions might happen in my
use-case, but having said that - this can be fixed too.

To be frank, I paid relatively little attention to this subject. Any
feedback about the other parts and especially on the high-level approach? Is
modifying the retpolines in the proposed manner (assembly macros)
acceptable?

Thanks,
Nadav

  reply	other threads:[~2018-10-18 16:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-10-18  0:54 [RFC PATCH 0/5] x86: dynamic indirect call promotion Nadav Amit
2018-10-18  0:54 ` [RFC PATCH 1/5] x86: introduce preemption disable prefix Nadav Amit
2018-10-18  1:22   ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-10-18  3:12     ` Nadav Amit
2018-10-18  3:26       ` Nadav Amit
2018-10-18  3:51       ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-10-18 16:47         ` Nadav Amit [this message]
2018-10-18 17:00           ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-10-18 17:25             ` Nadav Amit
2018-10-18 17:29               ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-10-18 17:42                 ` Nadav Amit
2018-10-19  1:08             ` Nadav Amit
2018-10-19  4:29               ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-10-19  4:44                 ` Nadav Amit
2018-10-20  1:22                   ` Masami Hiramatsu
2018-10-19  5:00                 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2018-10-19  8:22                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-10-19 14:47                     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2018-10-19  8:19                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-10-19 10:38                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2018-10-19  8:33               ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-10-19 14:29                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-11-29  9:46                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-10-18  7:54     ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-10-18 18:14       ` Nadav Amit
2018-10-18  0:54 ` [RFC PATCH 2/5] x86: patch indirect branch promotion Nadav Amit
2018-10-18  0:54 ` [RFC PATCH 3/5] x86: interface for accessing indirect branch locations Nadav Amit
2018-10-18  0:54 ` [RFC PATCH 4/5] x86: learning and patching indirect branch targets Nadav Amit
2018-10-18  0:54 ` [RFC PATCH 5/5] x86: relpoline: disabling interface Nadav Amit
2018-10-23 18:36 ` [RFC PATCH 0/5] x86: dynamic indirect call promotion Dave Hansen
2018-10-23 20:32   ` Nadav Amit
2018-10-23 20:37     ` Dave Hansen
2018-11-28 16:08 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2018-11-28 19:34   ` Nadav Amit
2018-11-29  0:38     ` Josh Poimboeuf
2018-11-29  1:40       ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-11-29  2:06         ` Nadav Amit
2018-11-29  3:24           ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-11-29  4:36             ` Josh Poimboeuf
2018-11-29  6:06             ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-11-29 15:19               ` Josh Poimboeuf
2018-12-01  6:52                 ` Nadav Amit
2018-12-01 14:25                   ` Josh Poimboeuf

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